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Old Apr 27th, 2021, 06:08 AM
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I am completely and entirely sorry I posted this thread. Nothing but negativity in response. OBVIOUSLY we are not traveling to an EU country if things remain as bad as they are now. I'm hoping that the EU will be in much better shape in 3 months. OBVIOUSLY travelers will have to make sure that there are things that are open to visit and it is safe. AND if you had read the article, you would have seen that each country has the right to remain closed to visitors if they choose. I chose to look at this story as a sign of hope for all of us. I don't want to travel to Italy only for myself, I have donated over 12K to Italy, to food banks and other organizations in the past 13 months. I want to visit Italy WHEN IT IS SAFE to spend more and help the economy, not to use it "as a playground." Let's move on to other topics where there will not be such acrimony.
Completely agree with you, Susan. I am convinced that there are many people in this world who never want this pandemic to end because they are basically only happy when they are miserable.
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Old Apr 27th, 2021, 06:20 AM
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I see a very positive message, but whether you like it or not, a lot of stuff is not open now and certainly will not be open for some time. The UK reaches freedom day in early June for example. The rules within Europe (from chatting with friends) will vary by country and even by region. I don't believe any of us are enjoying it but really, the open situation you in the US have been enjoying for the winter and spring is nothing like what it has been going on this side of the pond. We are only messengers, we don't run the countries.
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Old Apr 27th, 2021, 08:02 AM
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"but really, the open situation you in the US have been enjoying for the winter and spring . . ." Don't be so sure. Every part of the States is under different rules/lockdown. It is a state by state situation and in some states, county by county. Some places are open and almost back to normal-ish and some are still locked down more than the UK currently is. This might effect folks thinking about travel being possible sooner or later depending open what they see around them.

I do wish so many covid related threads wouldn't end up in fights. This is a travel board and it is fun to dream about future travel - whether that is this summer, next winter . . . or three years from now. Shaming people for just being optimistic - sad
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Old Apr 27th, 2021, 08:19 AM
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It is fun to dream about a lot of things. Exerting your ability to disagree is not "shaming" but calling it that seems to make some people here feel soooooo better than others I guess.
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Old Apr 27th, 2021, 08:31 AM
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Here we go again -- Sort of illustrates my point.

(IMO Lounge-worthy nastiness and arguments should be limited to the Lounge)
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Old May 1st, 2021, 01:24 AM
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Some areas of Europe have very mixed infection rates. On the surface, France currently doesnít look good but some areas have real issues while other areas havenít had cases for months.

Travel is also about risk management ie how you travel and how you conduct yourself when you have reached your destination.

how are the cases in the Dor Dog Na StCirq? presumably living in caves provides more fresh air and more protection?

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Old May 1st, 2021, 06:29 AM
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France has one of the highest current daily infection rates per 100K pop in Western Europe, there are only a couple countries worse (Sweden and Netherlands.

Most of the country is not what I'd call great, there are only a few departements where it is a lot lower (like Pyrenees, Gers,Lot and a few others), but not many. The area around Paris except just west and Bouches-du-Rhone are the worst. Dordogne is in the middle of rates.

You can view the map here
https://covidtracker.fr/dashboard-departements/

At least it is decreasing in France over last week.
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Old May 1st, 2021, 07:25 AM
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Good news. Airlines have dropped redeposit fees for award travel. DD and I just booked our annual (except Ď20) Nov-Dec trip from Chicago to London + a Christmas market city, this time Munich. We can cancel everything but we are hopeful. 🤗
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Old May 1st, 2021, 12:14 PM
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I wish you would come! The point of vaccinations is that we get the virus under control which will result in freedom of movement again. Switzerland is still far behind in vaccinating their population but I'm hoping that by the end of June, most 50+ year old will have been immunized. Restaurant outdoor seating is now open but all events are still cancelled. Cases are spiking among the younger generation but death rates have plummeted.

Soon...soon....soon
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Old May 1st, 2021, 03:46 PM
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It looks like Paris will be opening soon. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

💜 https://secretsofparis.com/practical...ris-reopening/
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Old May 1st, 2021, 08:30 PM
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I don't know anyone eager for travel overseas who wants to make things worse for the host country.

US travelers I know only want to travel to Europe when they would be welcomed.

Hoping for the best for our friends across the Atlantic.
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Old May 1st, 2021, 11:53 PM
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Last week Dutch Parliament voted in favor of our government's herd immunity approach. We've been on the edge of disaster for months now, with a "will he - won't he" approach to restrictions. At the moment we're "re-opening" amid rising hospitalizations and ICU admissions. And now cases are spreading to the under 50s group. Relatively, our case numbers are worse than India's, but of course we have more money for health care. For anyone planning to come to the Netherlands, Amsterdam, I'd advise to monitor the numbers closely.

In a probe into flights to Canada departing from Schiphol it turned out that 20% of flights had one or more infected passengers on board. Likely in summer numbers will get lower, but we still have prevalence that is twice as high as most countries in Europe, except Sweden, that also opted for a herd immunity approach.
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Old May 2nd, 2021, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cafegoddess View Post
It looks like Paris will be opening soon. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

💜 https://secretsofparis.com/practical...ris-reopening/

Has that news reached the provinces yet?

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Old May 2nd, 2021, 03:51 AM
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The British Invasion of another sort is sending infection rates into a substanial wave, it boggles the mind that such a vaccine-hesitant country would reopen.

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menachem, my state fully embraced herd immunity months ago and we had on average 6000 cases yesterday. Many are tourists so they leave here and take virus back home. People are not getting the second shot or refusing to be vaccinated altogether. Scary about 20% of flights having cases but we don't trace them here so who knows. Orange and Miami Dade have the most cases. High tourist spots. The first trip I have planned in July and it is in my own country but watching France and Belgium closely. The dashboard Christina posted looks as bad as Germany's dashboard.
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Originally Posted by StCirq View Post
<<Before you cast stones at us Americans, 50% of whom have received at least a partial vaccine, you might want to get your European vaccination incompetency under control.>>

We KNOW that. That's why we think it's premature for you to use Europe as your playground. It's not MY personal fault I haven't been vaccinated yet, by the way. Just stay home and go to Florida or Las Vegas. Have at it, but there's no need to think you need to invade Europe again; as I said, there's precious little for you to DO here, anyway.
There are people who travel to France and don't DO anything. The ones renting gites are coming to some boring rural village near you.

I love that phrase "vaccination incompetency' on top of "vaccination hesitancy" along with the British variant not a great prognosis later this year for some countries.

My friends with dual citizenship Italy/US just posted their vaccination photos (they were able to get them in Hawaii).

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Old May 2nd, 2021, 06:29 AM
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Thanks for the positive messages, to those of you who posted them. I agree with janis. There is no need for anyone to be nasty or unfriendly. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but seriously, let's try to be cordial.

This has been a horrifying 13 months for all of us. Let's try to be kind to each other.
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Old May 2nd, 2021, 07:31 AM
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hear hear
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Originally Posted by Macross View Post
menachem, my state fully embraced herd immunity months ago and we had on average 6000 cases yesterday. Many are tourists so they leave here and take virus back home. People are not getting the second shot or refusing to be vaccinated altogether. Scary about 20% of flights having cases but we don't trace them here so who knows. Orange and Miami Dade have the most cases. High tourist spots. The first trip I have planned in July and it is in my own country but watching France and Belgium closely. The dashboard Christina posted looks as bad as Germany's dashboard.
Just saying that in NL prevalence is very high, but there is little monitoring, or any sensible measures. (also we're in a huge political and constitutional crisis at the moment) We're the ideal breeding ground for a variant, and at the moment the Brazilian and Indian variants are gaining ground, but there is little sequencing done, so a lot flies under the radar. This is just a "take care" message.
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Old May 2nd, 2021, 10:00 AM
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Has that news reached the provinces yet?
It's not that the pandemic is "ending", it's rather that capitalism has decided it wants to move on.
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