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Here is my kids' teacher's version of "What not to Wear in Italy"

Here is my kids' teacher's version of "What not to Wear in Italy"

Feb 9th, 2008, 10:44 PM
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Dinpin, I don't think I made any comment on the trip being free, I think you are confusing posts and quotes.

Free is not the issue. My point is the Choir director or teacher is choosing to do this trip , and some posters are going on and on about what a sacrifice it is ,, even saying the teachers are giving up "their SPTING BREAK"' ...HELLOO<< anyone else get spring break at work,, LOL and the summer off.

I AM questioning how qualified this teacher is , since they are quoted old and outdated information, and apparently making bad decisions re 80 kids handling their own passports, I swear that is going to give them ( the teacher and chaperone0 much more grief then any silly dress code.

I do think the kids should of course bring what ever outfit they will perform in as selected by choir director.
I do think that smart packing advise could have been suggested. I do not think this is what happened.
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Feb 9th, 2008, 10:45 PM
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should be
"SPRING BREAK"

" how qualified the teacher is to LEAD THE TRIP" .
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Feb 9th, 2008, 10:50 PM
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Comments about the apparent misinformation the director has about "appropriate" fashion overseas is not the same as personal attacks on the person's character, or on teachers in general. Least I didn't see it that way.


Maybe the director just wanted the kids to look "sharp" versus the usual teen scruffiness that people tend to see a lot. But still, I think it can still be relaxed, especially on non-preforming days. Perhaps a joint discussion with the director would help, or enough people who agree that teens in Europe dress about the same? If not, buy some cheap khaki pants?
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Feb 9th, 2008, 10:51 PM
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oops, messed up the bold, sorry. my bad.
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Feb 9th, 2008, 11:49 PM
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Why should anyone feel sorry for the choir director? When you are in a choir, it is the most common thing to travel to other places to perform.

I can understand a parent's concern that the person they have to trust with the well-being of their kids does not seem to be familiar with the customs at their destinantion.

While erring on fashion is only a funny anecdote (that also should not be blown out of proportion), I would hope that that teacher, or choir director (or anyone else in the group) has more qualified knowledge on important questions like what to do in case of an accident, how to get from A to B, what to do when a kid gets lost, etc.

If he also covered the important issues, I would not worry too much about his funny views on Italian teen fashion.

As missypie said, can anyone think of a way how to travel with 80 kids abroad, and not be identified as "tourists" in a split second? Duct-tape their mouths so they won't speak (English) and scream "tourist"?
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Feb 10th, 2008, 02:45 AM
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I wonder how these children dress at school and at home.
I visit Italy quite often and of course teenagers wear jeans and trainers.
What you don't see, as somebody else pointed out, are girls looking like streetwalkers or boys with their jeans around their knees.
Perhaps the teacher is trying to avoid that look.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 02:48 AM
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More nonsense....Street garb in fashion today for the women is jeans and boots. Every group of young people at tourist venues have been wearing warm-up pants and jackets. No pair of shoes matched any others. Baseball caps were 'de rigueur'. AND, all were busy with cell phones.
Locals are wearing clothing appropriate for their work. Women may be wearing trainers onh the street but will have a pair of dress pumps in their bag for the office.
Certainly a choir group if it is going to perform needs a uniform for that occasion.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 06:43 AM
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Are kids still wearing giant, baggy jeans that are falling off of them (and exposing their boxer shorts or whatever...)? Maybe that's the kind of jeans the choir director is hoping they'll leave at home.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 09:09 AM
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Suze, me, too! I think the passport control issue is very critical.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 09:15 AM
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missy How are you? I hope the new year is full of love and happiness.

Did that teacher bump her head? Jeans are very much acceptable in Italy (not torn or nasty looking ones) and tennis shoes, come on. The walking these kids are going to do they need tennis shoes and more than one pair.

I am on my way to the 4th Euro trip with teenagers England/France. We always have that last meeting right before where we remind the kids about dress code and respect of the churches and whatever. AND, it's up to the parents and chaperones to makes sure they are not slobs.

That teacher needs a reality check BIG TIME!

Theresa in Detroit.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 10:24 AM
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this seems to be a continuing issue on the forum...how to dress and not look like a tourist. neat, clean and comfortable seem to be the operative words when we travel and from what I've seen during our travels. Yes, you are a tourist; yes, you will look like one no matter what. Do we frown on tourists in our large cities or make them feel uncomfortable? and yes, I can spot a european in a business meeting or on the street - its just je n'cest quoi about them. One more minor item: when we were having dinner in cortina last september,our waiter had just returned from 5 years in the LA area. We asked him what he brought home and he replied: iPods, maple syrup and Nike shoes because they are so expensive here. So, possibly, the tennis shoes that are being discouraged will actually be seen as a fashion statement??
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Feb 10th, 2008, 11:18 AM
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Sure Nike (and another firms, reebok, for instance) are fashion between young (and not so young).
They are expensive, and teenagers always want to wear expensive and "fashion" clothing.
I'm not a teenager and I wear jeans everyday and snickers very often. It is such a common thing I sometimes fail to understand why it is an issue for many people here.
Elders usually don't wear jeans, though. But if they find themselves comfortable with the sneakers they wear them also. There are not so much brands of nice and comfortable shoes a "not so young" person can wear. Everything is or cheaply made or fashion design shoes here in Spain.
I buy eccos when I go to London...
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Feb 10th, 2008, 07:31 PM
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Just to answer a few questions/address a few issues. We have known the teacher for years (before we had kids in choir) and consider him a friend. He chooses to take the kids on a trip everyr year....to Europe every 4 years. If he didn't want to take the kids on a trip, it wouldn't happen.

This is a suburban high school where the kids are pretty well dressed (no huge baggy jeans, etc.) The kids must always dress "in dress code" - no bare tummies, etc., even on trips. Their performance attire is gowns/tuxes.

It's not a huge deal at all. I just think the teacher hasn't really traveled apart from large group tours. He may not have ever noticed what the actual residents of the countries he was visiting were wearing. My kids will not be breaking any rules....just going against his advice.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 07:50 PM
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Just read the latest email from the teacher. He says that to visit St. Peters, girls are required to wear a skirt or dress below the knee (no slacks) and closed toe shoes. I did have to email him back about that one. I have a lot more fear of a girl being turned away due to too short a skirt than for wearing jeans.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 08:16 PM
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Is the teacher responsible for these rules? I wouldn't want to insist the girls wear skirts or dresses, instead of comfortable pants. And closed toe shoes don't matter to anyone. The Vatican doesn't require such a dress code for St. Peters. I would have a problem with these requirements, especially if it meant buying a new dress, skirt and/or shoes.
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Feb 10th, 2008, 08:29 PM
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Oh good heavens nmisspie, this "teacher" is requiring his own code not the code of the Vatican.

The code of the Vatican is that no bare shoulders or knees be uncovered. Here is the website, scroll down to the bottom for the dress code.
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/i...s-basilica.htm
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Feb 10th, 2008, 11:26 PM
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For goodness sake where does this teacher come up with these ideas, I am sorry, but he seems to be lacking in any common sense, it only took my 11 yr old 5 minutes to find a website describing clothing requirments for Vatican/ St Peters etc visits,( covered knees and shoulders) .What is wrong with this man. Pants are FINE as well you know. And excuse me but he must be making up the closed toe thing, cause that is pure fantasy, I wore sandels there 23 years ago and I doubt the dress code has been tightened.
Does this man lie, or does he believe the incorrect information he spouts. ??? Is he trying to fake having a clue,,,I am very confused( as apparently he is also)
You say he only has experience travelling ON big tours, NOT leading them, I would not feel that comfortable with this man as leader of this group, he just does not sound very with it, even though he may be a very NICE person, and a good friend. I know many nice people who are good friends and they would not be capable of running such a trip either.
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Feb 11th, 2008, 01:01 AM
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missypie, you say this person is a friend. You have posted here about something he said and, as you should have expected, participants here ridiculed him. Bad call, just as he made about dress advice for Italy.

Now, on the basis that you should not say something about a person that you would not be prepared to say to that person, perhaps you should direct his attention to this forum and this discussion.
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Feb 11th, 2008, 02:03 AM
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This person needs no other people to ridicule him, his "guidelines" do that nicely for him.

As a practicing Catholic, I find it somewhat bewildering that some people mistake church for a fashion show. You dress decently (i.e. no bare shoulders and knees), but you don't have to dress up or "nice". If you want to dress "nice", then do it. But that is not a must. Since your kids will be in Rome in March, I doubt that it will be that hot already that they will be running around butt-naked anyway.

While your teacher's advice is nothing but pure nonsense (Hey, Jesus, no sandals in church!), it is also a nuisance for parents and the kids with regard to the stuff they have to carry with them:
Besides the usual casual outfits, they have to take the formal outfits for performances. Plus pants (no jeans!) for sightseeing, plus skirts or dress for St Peters/ the Vatican, plus 3 pair of shoes.. just because someone is not in sync with the real life? Give me a break...
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Feb 11th, 2008, 02:19 AM
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Oh, so now he is your friend? Interesting! Somehow this story does not add up and methinks Missypie's intention was to start a little controversy. She only came back twice on the thread! Mmmmm. What do you call those types of posters. Something begining with a T and ends with L. Oh yes, TROLL
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