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bilboburgler Apr 27th, 2024 07:47 AM

Fines for stealing bits of Italy are pretty high, 2017 law

Jean Apr 27th, 2024 07:49 AM

As mentioned, Pompeii can be too hot for 3 small kids. But the climb to Vesuvius can be at a whole other level of scorching. The gravel (primarily decomposed lava rock) retains and radiates heat. It's about 2.5 miles one way, and, no surprise, the first half is all climbing and stairs. Carry lots of water. FYI, no toilets on the trail.

You now need to buy timed tickets, and departures are staggered to maintain trail safety. Check availability and book the earliest entry you think you can manage, considering Maiori is about an hour away by taxi.

FTOttawa Apr 27th, 2024 08:02 AM

Make time for some hikes inland from Amalfi, Atrani or Maiori if someone wants to look for mineral deposits in the limestone. You’ll have to research the legalities of taking any away with you.
https://www.mindat.org/loc-289232.html

The waterfall on the Valle dei Mulini/Valle dei Ferriere walk from Amalfi is magical at all times but especially welcome on a hot day.

Speaking of hot days, two good cooling destinations in Rome are the Church of San Clemente with its many layers, and the Domus Aurea, Nero’s palace still under excavation, with an interesting virtual reality segment. Must be booked in advance, only open certain days.

Positano in my opinion is worth a glimpse from the sea as you ferry to and from Capri.

Another vote for Herculaneum. And for that driver. Book them for the return trip if you are gambling on a same-day return to Rome — train from Salerno might work better than from Naples. Did you book flexible air tickets?

Sassafrass Apr 27th, 2024 10:34 PM

A couple of things your boys might find interesting:

The Capuchin Crypt in Rome. Read about it and look at some pictures to see what you think.

A tour of the underground excavations in Naples.
You can find videos of the underground archeological excavations to see what your boys think. We had seen a PBS show of it several years ago and I was intrigued. We thought it was fascinating and fun. BTW, don’t be led to buy tours from outside companies. I couldn’t believe some prices I saw! Tickets should
be around $16.50 for adults booked through the website. Just look for Napoli Underground. It has another correct Italian name, but I don’t remember it off hand. It was easy to find.

mjs Apr 28th, 2024 02:37 AM

We just returned from a 2 week trip from the Cotswolds and Rhodes. I started taking my family abroad when my youngest was 8 and the oldest 9 and we averaged 2-3 trips a year until their College and Graduate schools days when it dropped to once a year. In the beginning we never asked them where they wanted to go or what they wanted to do. They just went along with it. Now they do have some opinions as to where they would like to go. Now much of what we do day to day is planned by my youngest who uses all sorts of information of the web to guide us. We now go once or twice a year as everyone has responsibilities. Since Dad still pays they still enjoy going. My only advice is not to worry about your children, They are young and adaptable. Mine are girls and yours are boys which may be a factor but other wise I would not worry about them except to note that youngsters can get tired easily, Try not to do to much. I think two destinations for a short 8 day trip is fine. I would prefer to go directly to the Amalfi and leave Rome for the last if you can schedule it that way. Italy will be crowed and hot, possibly scorching if you have an unlucky 40 degrees heat wave. learn to adapt. Have fun.

italychronicles1530 May 2nd, 2024 07:56 AM

Hi,
The problem with Italy is there's so much to chose from. Eight days may sound like a long time but it's not with 3 kids, a wife and twice as many bags in tow. I'd suggests 2 stops: Rome + Amalfi (4 + 4). That way you get a feel for each and can schedule some fun family activities. In Rome you could raft down the Tiber, go to gladiator school, bike along the Appia Antica, discover Circo Massimo with VR helmets and let the boys wander the ancient streets of Ostia Antica. In Amalfi you could go on a full day boat tour, go kayaking, learn how to make pasta and relax at the beach. I wouldn't bother with the train but hire a driver to transport you between destinations.


bobspryn May 2nd, 2024 10:33 AM

Great stuff everyone, thank you! We are doing 4+4 Rome/Amalfi, and we'll be looking at all these suggestions.


I don't think you're allowed to bring back any rocks/minerals
Yeah, we've since seen this was the case. Bummer.


The waterfall on the Valle dei Mulini/Valle dei Ferriere
We looked at this, and it sounds great.


But the climb to Vesuvius can be at a whole other level of scorching.
That makes sense. We'll have to weigh if they can actually handle this.

Herculaneum over Pompei seems like a repeating theme here.


And for that driver. Book them for the return trip if you are gambling on a same-day return to Rome
I had been thinking a train from Salerno would be safe for a 5:45pm flight. On the way FROM Rome to Amalfi, potentially stopping at Vesuvius I see they have baggage lockers, or we could get off there and hire a driver the rest of the way.


Did you book flexible air tickets?
We couldn't with the points setup we were using.


A tour of the underground excavations in Naples.
That sounds very cool!


In Rome you could raft down the Tiber, go to gladiator school, bike along the Appia Antica, discover Circo Massimo with VR helmets and let the boys wander the ancient streets of Ostia Antica. In Amalfi you could go on a full day boat tour, go kayaking, learn how to make pasta and relax at the beach.
Great suggestions, thank you.


I wouldn't bother with the train but hire a driver to transport you between destinations.
Even from Rome down to Naples/Sorrento? I did want to give the boys a little train experience since the US is sorely lacking in that department.

geetika May 2nd, 2024 11:11 AM

Your boys are sure to enjoy the Napoli Souterranea or Naples Underground, narrow underground passages, some so narrow I was scared of getting stuck. I strongly recommend this, the guided tours take about 2hours.

A boat tour on the Amalfi Coast with swimming, etc should be a fun day trip. I believe Maiori has a good beach, so that’ll be a great way to chill and enjoy water activities.

Have a fabulous trip and come back to tell us all about it, especially what your sons made of Italy!

raincitygirl May 2nd, 2024 12:49 PM

I would take the train from Rome to Naples, you can book the fast train, I think your boys would love how fast it goes and it would be a great experience for them.
You could either then connect onward to Sorrento on the commuter train and get a driver from there to Maiori or get a driver to collect you at Napoli Centrale and then you could do a stop at Herculaneum or Vesuvius.

bobspryn May 2nd, 2024 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by raincitygirl (Post 17559143)
I would take the train from Rome to Naples, you can book the fast train, I think your boys would love how fast it goes and it would be a great experience for them.
You could either then connect onward to Sorrento on the commuter train and get a driver from there to Maiori or get a driver to collect you at Napoli Centrale and then you could do a stop at Herculaneum or Vesuvius.

This sounds like a good plan.

bobspryn May 25th, 2024 12:38 PM

We are going to travel to Naples on what would have been our fourth full day in Rome, and explore there some, stay the night, then do herculuem in the morning before continuing onto Maori.

Wife vetoed the underground caves. 😂 The tight passages are a no go.

We’ve got the gladiator school as the only thing scheduled on the day we arrive. (I know, super touristy but have to throw the kids a bone.)

Colosseum / Roman forum / palatine hill tour on day two.

Vatican museum and Sistine chapel on day three.

Then one full day where we haven’t planned anything yet. Any suggestions for kids?

Still need to decide what to do in Naples on day five as well.

bvlenci May 25th, 2024 01:39 PM

I think the Amalfi Coast and the Cinque Terre are more popular with middle aged adults than with kids. The beaches are small, stony, and crowded. I agree with going to the Lido of Ostia, which is right in Rome. I would skip the famous overcrowded museums (looking at you, Vatican). There are some great smaller museums in Rome if you want to include a little culture.

I live in Italy, and I've taken my granddaughter to Rome nearly every year since she was a toddler. She's now 18, and we spent last weekend in Rome. Here are some of the things she enjoyed when she was 7-10.
  • The Villa Borghese park. There is a little lake with boats, and you can rent 4-person bicycle carts.
  • The Roman Forum and Palatine Hill. Try to find a guide who's good with kids. I think something like this would be great, although it's expensive. https://www.contexttravel.com/cities...nd-roman-forum
  • Galleria Doria Pamphili, a sumptuous Renaissance palazzo, still owned by descendants of the powerful Renaissance family. The family's original art collection is displayed, so there's your culture. An excellent audio guide is included. When I was last there, it was narrated by a member of the family, and he talked about roller skating with his cousins in the marbled halls. https://www.doriapamphilj.it/roma/
  • Ostia Antica, an ancient Roman port city. This site is even bigger than Pompeii and much less crowded. You can see an ancient Roman theater, a bar, a multi-story apartment building, and the ancient public toilets, with side-by-side seating, separated by sex. When you entered, you picked up a sponge on a stick, dunked in sea water, and this was your toilet paper. You left it in a vat of sea water on the way out. https://www.doriapamphilj.it/roma/
  • The Palazzo Massimo alle Terme, a museum of ancient art and various other artifacts. My granddaughter was fascinated by Greek and Roman deities, and there were lots of statues of those.There is also the mummy of a little girl, buried with her doll. (Last weekend my granddaughter said she wanted to go back there, 10 years after her last visit. But we ran out of time.) https://museonazionaleromano.beniculturali.it/en/palazzo-massimo/
You could easily spend the whole time in Rome. But there are some interesting day trips you could take. I'll try to get back to that.
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bvlenci May 25th, 2024 02:04 PM

Lake Garda has a lot of things to entertain children, but it's a long way from Rome. It would be better to fly into Venice or Milan, or maybe into one and out of the other. You could spend two nights in Venice and two in Milan. (Everyone will tell you two nights isn't enough for Venice, but I think it's enough for 7-10 year old kids. ) In Milan, there is a huge castle right in the center of town. https://www.milanocastello.it/en
Your kids would also probably love the "terraces" of the roof of the Duomo: a fantastic forest of over a hundred Gothic spires, and gargoyles, spires, and statues.​​​​
https://www.duomomilano.it/en/art-an.../the-terraces/

Lake Garda has a wonderful amusement park, Gardaland. You can take boat rides on the lake; in the northern end, near the Swiss border, you can see the beginning of the Alps. In the town of Malcesine, you can take a cable car to the top of Mount Baldo. It's another place my granddaughter loved.
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bvlenci May 26th, 2024 02:01 AM

I was writing my post when you posted yours, so I missed it. I didn't realize you had already planned out your time in detail.

The one thing I suggest is not to do so many tours. They move slowly and are usually very boring for kids. I especially suggest cancelling the Vatican tour. The Museums are horrendously crowded and huge, and there's almost nothing there that would interest a child. I'll tell you a story.

About 5 years ago my cousin and her husband came to Rome with three adolescents. I offered to go with them to Rome and show them around. My cousin had arranged a private tour of the Vatican. I warned her about the Vatican Museums, but she said it was on her "bucket list". She offered to include me in the tour, but I declined. Much as I love art, I long ago decided I would never return there except perhaps on an evening tour, which is usually less crowded.

So my relatives arrived at the meeting point inside the museum by the ticket office. The kids saw the crowds and flatly refused to go any further. The two adults were outvoted, so they abandoned the tour. Actually I think my cousin's husband was secretly on the side of the kids.

We took my granddaughter to the Vatican Museums on a Friday evening once. She wasn't particularly impressed by the Sistine Chapel. (She was much more impressed by the Doria Pamphili Gallery, which I mentioned above. ) The only thing she was really enthusiastic about at the Vatican Museums was the Egyptian Collection, because she was a big admirer of ancient Egyptian civilization as well as Greek and Roman mythology.

You might want to see if you can get an evening reservation on the day you have to visit.

If you can't find an evening tour and you really want to see some of the Vatican, I suggest you visit St. Peter's Basilica instead of the Vatican Museums. There is often a long security line, but once inside it's not very crowded. Your kids might also like going up to the dome. I've never done it.

FTOttawa May 26th, 2024 07:42 AM

Another vote for St Peter’s Basilica rather than the Vatican museums, easier to do at your own speed, awesome for any age. Not open on Wednesday mornings due to the papal audience in the square.

I also agree with the recommendations for Ostia Antica and the Borghese park.

bvlenci May 26th, 2024 08:47 AM

With regard to heat, Ostia Antica, which I mentioned above, is better than either Pompeii or Herculaneum. It's a bit further north, is on the sea, and it has some shade. However, if it's really very hot, any archeological site will be a bit miserable.

By the way, there's no air-conditioning in most of the Vatican Museums, and you'll be sharing the space with several thousand sweaty bodies. On the long, long hallway to the Sistine Chapel, the only things the small children will see are the backsides in front of them.

bobspryn May 26th, 2024 09:00 AM

Alright, I hear you about the tours. We will consider changing plans.

SusanP May 26th, 2024 09:16 AM

Glad to hear you're reconsidering, and I hope that means cancelling the Vatican Museums. Two years ago, I returned there, not having been there since 2005, because a friend was with me and wanted to go. We took an evening tour which still had a lot of people, although not the mobs of daytime, but I had forgotten how many stairs there are! A ton, and an elevator only in a couple places that didn't help much. I agree that the kids would probably hate it.

And I hope you're giving up climbing Vesuvius. I haven't done it, but I can't imagine taking three young kids on a five-mile hike in the heat, half of which is straight up!

bobspryn Mar 18th, 2025 06:49 PM

FYI everyone, the trip last year was a great success! Going to make a new post about hitting Northern Italy & Switzerland!


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