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Maura Sep 8th, 2000 04:08 PM

Harrods January Super Sale
I've been to Harrods sale several times but always on the opening day or 2nd day. This year I cannot get to London until the second week of the sale. My question is does Harrods replenish their merchandise (can they possably have that much stock) or is the merchandise pretty much picked over by the end of the first week? Would it be a waste of time and money to go? Any knowledge of the sale would be greatly appreciated. <BR>Maura

Kathy Sep 20th, 2000 04:00 PM

Hi Maura <BR>Sorry not to anwer your question, but maybe you can tell me how you found out the dates of the sale. I was hoping to go this year, but haven't been able to find the dates. Thanks

not a shopaholic Sep 23rd, 2000 06:45 AM

I too would love to have more information on the dates of the Harrods sale. I have been assuming that they would simply come right after x-mas/new years, i.e. jan 2, but maybe I've been wrong? checked out the harrods website and found no information there. can anyone share information?

Sal Sep 23rd, 2000 07:19 AM

I haven't been to the January sale, but I was at their spa a few months ago and asked about it. They told me that it gets picked over very quickly and that they do very little replenishing. Also, they said it's a madhouse so get there at opening. This won't help you, but they suggested going in before the sale to try on, make selections and go back the day the sale starts and simply pick up the items.

Jeff Sep 23rd, 2000 07:34 PM

What is the big deal about the Harrods sale? I was in the UK (last week and for the sale last January). Clothes are soooo much more expensive in London than in the U.S. and a Harrods sale just means that the clothes are not outrageous, just overpriced. If Macys sells something in the US for 40 dollars and Harrods sells it for 85 dollars (about 60 pounds), why should I be excited about a Harrods sale for 50 pounds if I am not from the UK? <BR> <BR>I guess it is taxes, but why is EVERYTHING more expensive in the UK than in the US. A gallon of gas in the US (we bitch about it but it) is about $1.65 a gallon. In the UK, a litre (about 1/4 a gallon) is .85 pounds (about $1.45) or about $5.80 a gallon. There would be protests in the streets in NY. <BR> <BR>Is there anything in Harrods that a person in NY would be interested in??

Nigel Doran Sep 24th, 2000 04:12 AM

Jeff, you have hit the nail on the head. We have high taxes in the U K, and no matter what kind of government we get, it will always be more expensive over here than over there. <BR>But, our taxes mean that we have toll-free motorways, free National Health Service care, free dentistry for all under 16s and for pregnant mothers and certain other groups, free education to 18, cheap (no more than 1000 a year and then only for the more wealthy parents of students) university education for all manner of courses, including medicine, architecture, languages. <BR>It is true that the N H S and the education system is not perfect, but I am sure you would agree that any country's system always has room for improvement regardless of the way it is funded. <BR>Also in Britain, the tax is already on the price label. Prices do not change according to the whims of those in charge of a particular location. Foreigners can claim back their V A T, a tax that is not put on food, transport, books, newspapers or children's clothes. <BR>Tax is currently a hot topic here in the U K, but unfortunately, most people would prefer to have slightly cheaper prices than the services they have come to expect as a right.

Jeff Sep 24th, 2000 07:05 AM

Thank you Nigel. <BR> <BR>I will keep it short for I do not know if an extensive discussion of the pros and cons of our two democratic systems is appropriate for this thread or forum, but it is an interesting topic. <BR> <BR>There are so many pros of the British system. It is disheartening to me in NY that most Americans say that they want national healthcare, but are unwilling to go through with their convictions. But looking at London and much of Europe, I do not have the strong convictions anymore (I think/possibly/maybe) because with our health care system, the vast majority of working people have good insurance that enables them to get immediate healthcare at any hospital and full dental care; both with only minor deductions. My mom had a stroke last summer(all is well but) she would have had a major problem if she did not have the options of immediate full care and the right to tell her doctor to go to hell and get treated at a different facility immediately with a different doctor (all later drs said that she was being poorly treated). If you are poor in this county, you do get immediate hospitalization benefits on the government (but it may not be up to par of someone with insurance). Also, it is just a fact that Americans have better dental benefits than anyone in Europe. <BR> <BR>In sum, both countries have their pros and cons when it comes to services, but you certainly can't tell Americans to pay twice as much to fund a health care system with they get (for the most part) (and about 75-100% is paid for) by their work. Also Americans have a reputation of being the most impatient people on the planet, so we couldn't move to a Canadian type system with requires a priority system of who is most injured (my stubbed toe is as important as your triple bypass). <BR> <BR>It is a lively and interesting conversation, maybe not on this Harrods string.

canwegetbacktothetopic Sep 24th, 2000 09:22 AM

yes, this is fascinating and as an American who thinks we can all learn to be a little more patient, i tend to agree more with Nigel. Nevertheless, I simply want to know when the Harrods sale begins. Can anyone address that issue?

Susan Park Sep 24th, 2000 06:34 PM

Jeff, I agree about the prices in London--Harrod's charged a pound to go to the bathroom and we laughed. But the really funny thing was the little sleeveless light weight cotton blouse for $500! But, the taxes over there according to some Brits I've spoken with, are to support the monarchy and all the cousins however distant they are. I love it there but the price of things are simply outrageous to me. Worse than N.Y.C. or S.F. It's just mind boggling to me too.

Sal Sep 24th, 2000 07:09 PM

Susan Park <BR>Here's a helpful tidbit. They won't charge you to use the restrooms if you spend at least 200 pounds on any given day. Now that's a bargain. <BR> <BR>Now, for Maura, someone PLEASE tell her when the January sale begins. I'd like the info too. Yes it's already way to pricey, but some things you just can't find anywhere else.

Nigel Doran Sep 25th, 2000 03:34 AM

I think your British friends who have been telling you about where our taxes go are, to put it politely, completely misled, and probably republican. <BR>It is true the Queen and certain other members of the Royal Family get tax payers' money, but they then use that to fund their trips, pay their staff etc. etc. Check out the Buckingham Palace website for more info. It is a relatively paltry amount when you consider the work they do and the kudos they bring. (Can you imagine a faceless career politician President getting the crowds in the same way Q E 2 can?) <BR>It is a matter of fact that the Royals have become increasingly aware of their fiscal responsibilities and are well-known for their frugality. A few months ago, Princess Anne showed up at a restaurant and paid with a coupon snipped out of The Times, just as thousands of others had been doing! <BR>B T W, I have never been to Harrods and so cannot pass any comment on it. <BR>If you want to find out how to have a cheaper time in London and in the U K in general, ask more questions on this site!

Karen Sep 25th, 2000 04:41 AM

Actually, there was an article in the newspaper 2 weeks ago comparing the cost of cities around the world and both New York and Chicago were more expensive than London, I think London was ranked 13th or so. I cant remember clearly as I dont have the article, but they compared the average cost of various different things in each city. <BR> <BR>Also, don't forget that exchange rates change all of the time. Two weeks ago the was at a 14 year low against the $ - so obviously things would have been cheaper for Americans visiting the UK this month compared to a year ago. <BR> <BR>In answer to the original question, people go mad for the Harrods sale and queue all night to get in. I think most of the good bargins are gone the first day. Its not just a case of half price sales, a lot of the time prices are completely slashed to ridiculous amounts, from 1000 to 200 for a sofa or whatever. That's why people go mad. I haven't been myself, it's not something the average Londoner would be interested in. <BR> <BR>And Jeff... not everything is more expensive in the UK - my boyfriend and I was shocked at some of the supermarket grocery prices in the US last year, as I always expect things like that to be cheaper than here. <BR>Clothes aren't soooooo much more expensive either. Some things are, like trainers and jeans, which is why Brits go shopping for them when in the US, but everyday clothes (not Harrods, they aren't realistic high street prices) are not that much different. <BR>I had a friend living in Washington DC who came over here one New Year and bought a lot of evening wear in the department store sales, because she couldnt get the same quality for those prices in Washington (dresses for under 50). Since then I've paid more attention when I go to the shops in the US. <BR> <BR>Nigel didnt mention this, so I will... a lot of big companies in the UK offer private medical care to their employees and their families. I have joined the scheme here at work, I dont pay anything towards it and not all medical conditions and treatment will be covered, but its nice to have the choice if I didn't want to wait on the NHS. <BR> <BR>OK rant finished :-) <BR>

Jeff Sep 25th, 2000 05:14 AM

1. When does the sale begin? <BR> <BR>2 While I understand the high prices in London to be a fact, do not take this for London bashing. NYers complain (and complain, and complain) about the high prices in Manhattan as opposed to most other areas, including the surrounding areas of this metropolitan city. This does not mean that I would want to live anywhere else. The fact that I am a Starbucks addict and pay $3.50 for my muffin and coffee each morning on Broadway and then go to Kensington High Street and pay over 3 1/2 pounds for the same thing is not bashing London, just surprised because I thought that I had the privelege of living in the most expensive city outside Tokyo. I have friends in London, raised in NYC, but he now works for Merrill Lynch in London (formerly Deutsche Bank in London) and she works as a nurse for Barclay's Bank. They will be in London for another 3-4 years. They are not complaining because it is a great city; all they complain about (other than family related normal home sickness) is the fact that they have to stock up when they fly home due to the high prices. As a democrat in NY, I see the merits of socialized governing, but I have to say that at least 50% of this country would not.

Jeff Sep 25th, 2000 09:31 AM

Actually NY and London are expensive cities to live. If you want an "unbiased opinion" here is a list... <BR> <BR>-- Here's a list of the 20 most expensive cities for foreigners, with Tokyo as the most costly, as well as rankings of all American cities in a survey by private consultancy, Corporate Resources Group: <BR>1. Tokyo <BR>2. Hong Kong <BR>3. Beijing <BR>4. Osaka, Japan <BR>5. Shanghai, China <BR>6. Moscow <BR>7. Guangzhou, China <BR>8. London <BR>9. Shenzhen, China <BR>10. Seoul, South Korea <BR>11. Geneva <BR>12. Zurich, Switzerland <BR>13. Singapore <BR>14. St. Petersburg, Russia <BR>15. Taipei, Taiwan <BR>16. New York <BR>17. Oslo, Norway <BR>18. Copenhagen <BR>19. Vienna <BR>20. Paris <BR>Rankings of other U.S. cities: <BR>53. Chicago <BR>54. Miami <BR>58. San Francisco <BR>60. Tie: Los Angeles and San Juan, Puerto Rico <BR> <BR> <BR>

anon Sep 25th, 2000 10:12 AM

So when does the sale begin??

January5,2001 Sep 26th, 2000 01:06 AM


Karen Sep 26th, 2000 03:44 AM

ummmm unbiased? Seeing as I couldn't even remember many details about the survey I saw, why do you think it would be biased. If you think UK newspapers are forever telling us how great things are, think again. They are always quick to point out how hard done by we are.

Jeff Sep 26th, 2000 06:35 AM

I didn't realize that this was in such dispute. Every reputable survey has London as one of the most expensive cities. It has nothing to do with what side of the pond you are on. In fact, the survey I quoted is a Swiss survey, NOT AMERICAN. Since you won't believe anything but a close to home survey... <BR> <BR>Economist Intelligence Unit's (inlcuding Economist Magazine)Annual Survey of Worldwide Cost of Living Survey finding Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, Libreville, Oslo, Zurich, London, Paris, Geneva, Copenhagen, Vienna, Taipai, New York, Stockholm being the most expensive in that order. The next survey will be released in December 2000. <BR> <BR>Tokyo and Osaka head the list of the world's most expensive cities in which to live. <BR>European Union: London is the world's 7th most expensive city, and the most expensive city in the European Union, surpassing Paris and Geneva during the past 12 months. The weak euro, combined with the comparative strength of the pound, has pushed Manchester to number 20, making it more expensive than all of the German cities, as well as Amsterdam and Helsinki. <BR> <BR>Japan: Tokyo and Osaka remain the most expensive cities in the world, a spot they have retained since 1991. As the Japanese economy recovers and the yen appreciates, Tokyo's comparative cost of living index has risen to 26%, making it more than 30% more expensive than Hong Kong, which retains the number three slot despite negative inflation. <BR> <BR>Europe: Oslo and Zurich remain the most expensive cities in Europe, and tie for fifth place as the world's most expensive cities. Most euro-zone cities have dropped down the rankings, following the euro's inauspicious performance in 1999. Paris is the most expensive euro-zone city, at number eight, while Lisbon remains the least expensive, at number 68. Bucharest, at number 120, is now the least expensive city in Europe. <BR> <BR>India: New Delhi and Mumbai (formerly Bombay) have usurped Tripoli as the cheapest cities, with cost of living indices of just 41 and 42 respectively. Tripoli itself has made a monumental climb up the list to number 14 following the unification of the black market and official exchange rates, and the lifting of UN sanctions. <BR> <BR>North America: New York is the most expensive North American city, with Chicago now in second place. The comparative strength of the dollar against the euro has meant that the more expensive US cities have risen in the rankings as the euro-zone cities have fallen. Atlanta is the cheapest U.S. city on the survey with an index of 74. Montreal and Vancouver are the most expensive Canadian cities, in 70th place, and Calgary is the cheapest city in the North American survey. <BR> <BR>Australia: As the Australian dollar has strengthened over the past 12 months, Australian cities have begun to climb in the rankings. Sydney, at number 45, is the most expensive, with a cost of living equal to Cairo and Amman. <BR> <BR>

Jeff Sep 26th, 2000 06:39 AM

One more thing. For those not geographically savvy, like me, I looked up number 4... <BR> <BR>One last thing. For those less geography savvy like me. I looked up number 5... <BR> <BR>Libreville, city, capital, and chief port of Gabon, on the Gabon River Estuary, on the Gulf of Guinea. It has a population of 365,650 (1993 estimate).

Marsha Oct 11th, 2000 05:31 AM

I just recieved an email from Harrod in answer to my question about their January sale. Dates are 1/3-1/27.

kk Oct 11th, 2000 05:47 AM

Awhile back on this thread, someone asked if there would be anything a New Yorker would be interested in at Harrod's. IMHO, the answer is NO, unless you want to go and look at the food court. It is a lovely store but extraordinarily overpriced. It makes Neiman Marcus (often called Needless Markup here in its home state of Texas) pale in comparison.

kk Oct 11th, 2000 05:50 AM

ps. Perhaps I should have been a tad more explicit. <BR>Anyone living and shopping in NYC can find similar things to Harrod's at stores throughout NYC (think, Bloomingdales et al) at cheaper price points. <BR>For specifically British goods, the same thing is true if you shop at some other stores in London.

shopper Oct 16th, 2000 08:09 PM

You know, this thread has been very interesting in a lot of ways--politics to the opinion that harrods is overpriced, etc. Frankly, when I shop at Harrods it is not b/c I want to find a bargain or b/c I can't find the same or similar goods elsewhere. I go and shop at Harrods b/c it is an experience unto itself--even if I don't buy anything, it is worth the time just to be amazed at the sheer magnitude of it all. Sure, it is overpriced and maybe I could find all of it in a NYC flagship store. But, it wouldn't be Harrods, would it? And that is the point.

Jeff Oct 17th, 2000 04:48 PM

While I object to people with blinders on as to the price of things, "shopper" has a valid point. God knows that NYers and Londoners pay a premium for living in the City. Why not pay a premium to shop in one of the most exciting stores in the world.

Maura Oct 17th, 2000 05:14 PM

Gosh I go away for a few weeks and I don't log on the Fodors site and my question about Harrods gets turned into a political debate. Don't these people who are arguing about the pros and cons of different countries have a life? I asked about a stupid sale, one that I happen to think is worth going over for. I found out the dates of the sale by logging on to their web site. Marsha is correct it is Jan 3rd. and I do know they replenish their merchandise for at least the first week. I do know that on Saturdays during the sale an additional 10 % is taken off.However it is not taken off designer goods such as gucci and prada purses etc.As for Jeff who says he can get better deals in NYC. Tell me where I can get Gucci loafers for under $150.00 in NYC or the Gucci purse I got for $225.00 and $175.00 that retailed for at least $150.00 more in DC please keep me advised Jeff and that way I will just have to come up to NYC! Harrods is not the only one having a sale at this time, the whole of London seems to be on sale. The other big stores such as Harvey Nichols has great sales, but so do the little shops. Sure you can find great deals on little items but I think you really save on the higher end stuff such as I mentioned before--the designer goods. Plus you have to consider what the rate of exchange is. Right now its a $1.44 which is pretty good. Sorry I didn't answer the question sooner but as I said I've been in Spain for the last couple weeks and I stopped looking at my Harrods question since noone was responding to it and I was getting frustrated by it.

tina Oct 18th, 2000 08:37 AM

Well, excuse us, Maura, for having the temerity to go off on tangents you don't approve of! Why don't you just go back to Spain. <BR>Obviously you've never been around a big dining table, when someone starts a topic and others take off in all diretions with it. <BR>It's called human nature, just in case you were interested. Which you probably aren't. Happy shopping at Harrod's....and yes, I can beat those prices you mentioned lots of other places. <BR>As to the quality of the shopping experience, I do think IMHO that that is a valid and unique point.

Pardon Me Oct 18th, 2000 08:59 AM

Maura, are you not-so-subtly letting us all know that you have the money to spend a bundle on snooty designer clothing and shoes? Are you also dropping a hint that you are such a fat cat that you can fly to Europe just to go buy pricey goods, also implying that you buy so much of these goods that the trip makes economic sense? If so, you should know that it is unbelievably crass to come on this Forum to brag about your personal wealth, and I don't appreciate it much. <BR>

Jeff Oct 18th, 2000 09:13 AM

Speaking of tangents... <BR> <BR>I think that we should go back to Fodor's splitting of categories including a forum just for "Nasty people". The funny part about Fodors is that people go out their way to help poeple like Maura and then you find out that you would never talk to people like this on the street. I may be accused of not having a life and actually I can prove she is right. If someone asks a question and I am not sure but know where to look it up within a minute, I have been known to look it up (so I don't have a life and an endless curiousity). In fact, if you note, my first e-mail was at 11:30 pm, and I was just playing on the internet and I actually went on the Harrods website to play and find out. If we have a separate category for nasty people, I won't do that and won't feel like an idiot when they come back from Spain. <BR> <BR>

kk Oct 18th, 2000 09:19 AM

Jeff, I think you sound like a really nice, helpful, informative person, also one WITH a life. It's your choice what to do with it. <BR>While you are in your helpful mode, any ideas where I should eat on my trip to NYC Dec. 1-5, staying at the Times Square (Hilton, I think) on my husband's expense account. Not bragging, just saying we wouldn't be staying there otherwise at that steep room rate. Got any favorite lunch places around the Frick Museum, for example? Thanks, kk

maura Oct 18th, 2000 06:35 PM

Tina,Jeff, and Pardon me you accuse me of being nasty what the heck do you consider yourselves. Yes I've been at a big dining room table Tina where the topic shifts from one to another but this isn't a dining room table is it. I asked a question I am so sorry none of you know it alls have the answer. And Jeff I believe my question was about how much merchandise Harrods had not what you thought about the prices and their taxes. As for Pardon me do me a favor and listen for the coverage of Harrods opening days sale on the news or Entertainment Tonight etc. and they always tell you about a fur coat etc that is a steal because its been reduced by $5,000!! PARDON ME!

jack Oct 18th, 2000 07:00 PM

It seems to me the only nasty ones are the last 3 people dumping on Maura. Maura is the one trying to be helpful,giving info on the sale at Harrods as well as throughout London. Jeff you don't happen to be an attorney do you? I know a lot, and they all like to here themselves talk and give out useless info. Tina, you talk of human nature--I think jealousy. I do have advice to the ones going off on tangents--why don't you log on to a chat room where the topic is useless dribble that noone asks for. Good Day

Miss Manners Oct 18th, 2000 08:00 PM

Actually, Maura, I believe I know the phrase for which you have been searching. That phrase is "Thank You." <BR> <BR>On behalf of all of the patrons of the forum, I will say "You're Welcome."

K Oct 19th, 2000 02:16 PM

Miss Manners, what does Maura have to say thank you to. Her answer was never answered. I agree with her if I ask a question why should I have to hear what someone has to say about the taxes. and yeah I would like to know where one could buy the classic Gucci loafer in the states for under $150.00 or where I could get my bamboo handled gucci purse for a few $100.00 less so please enlighten us. As for Maura she seems to be more helpful than those last 3 no -nothings. If you don't know the answer to a question just let it go by. Now Maura what do you think of the middle east situation. Pardon me I forgot I am in the travel forum not a current affair or political site. My mistake, I will now log off and go to that site.

Gina Oct 19th, 2000 02:32 PM

I went to Harrod's thinking I might find a nice, high quality sweater or some other nice piece of clothing, something with thick fabric and nice workmanship, you know something you can't get in the department stores in the U.S. and I was certainly willing to pay more for better quality. <BR> <BR>I was sorely disappointed to find that Harrod's casual clothes were made of the same thin, flimsy fabrics and had the same type of shoddy workmanship that clothes in the U.S. do. Apparently they are all made in the same Third World sweatshops. Only difference was that Harrod's was charging far, far more for the same lack of quality.

shopper Oct 19th, 2000 02:57 PM

Oh, my dear shopping virgins! For those of you not getting off on tax tangents and wondering why someone would travel so far for a "good buy", most luxury or higher priced items in London are about the same price as they would be in the US at their regular price. Therefore, at a sale, they are a great deal. And one should not judge Maura for buying Guggi shoes, etc. She just has the savvy to know that you get what you pay for....if you want it to last, you have to pay a bit more. From the airfares I have seen lately, it would be cheaper to fly to London from NY and shop than to pay for transportation in the city! Whoops! Now I have probably started a whole debate on the cost of transportation in major cities around the world....By the way, the summer sale is in July.

Miss Manners Oct 19th, 2000 03:13 PM

Actually, Marsha gave the correct answer many posts ago, so Maura should say thank you. <BR> <BR>The real problem here, IMHO, is that Maura seems believe she owns this thread. Obviously, as any veteran Fodorite knows, anyone is free to post on a thread, and no one owns or controls a thread. So yes, I think Maura should thank those who helped or tried to help, and she should ignore the rest.

SharonM Oct 19th, 2000 04:13 PM

Wow! <BR> <BR>Curiousity got the best of me... <BR>I really wasn't interested in Harrod's Super Sale Post 'til I saw 35 posts listed! ... got to thinking... This must be Some Reeeeeally SUPER Sale! (Let me check it out...) <BR>Anyway, still not that interested in going to the sale, but I AM now ever-so-intrigued with this thread, that I think we really should know just what that "Middle East situation" is...AND Moreover, (and more importantly), how it may (or may not) have an advers effect on the upcoming HARROD'S SUPER Sale! Don't you think?! <BR> <BR> the way, WHEN is it???

Jeff Oct 19th, 2000 04:28 PM

Everyone just stop this at 36. <BR> <BR>I can handle talking about anything and even handling nasty people. But I do have a hard time with cranking my neck and looking up at people on their high horse off on a tangent talking about the propriety of tangents. Stop the madness.

SharonM Oct 19th, 2000 04:45 PM

Jeff. <BR>I was j-o-k-i-n-g! <BR> <BR>(who said I was funny!) <BR>

SharonM Oct 19th, 2000 06:06 PM

actually...(Jeff) <BR>Who are you talking to? <BR>(I must be paranoid!) <BR>(yikes...once burned, twice shy?)(I need to ring up Dr. Fodor!) <BR> <BR>hmmm...

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