Google Offline Maps: No More Costly GPS For Us
 

In 2016, we paid $100 plus to rent, for a week, a Tom Tom GPS navigational device from Hertz in Puglia. It was out of date, worked only so-so (sent us in the wrong direction down several one-way streets). And we had to lock it in the trunk every time we parked.

Last year, we borrowed our son’s smaller TomTom system for driving in southwest Italy. We were asked about it several times at airport security checkpoints. And, it was only a little better. However, our son paid to download the European maps, so it was free, at least for us. It was still an extra item to pack, carry around and worry about.

We have an iPhone and pay for a limited European data plan, and we don’t want to worry about GPS activity eating that up. Our daughter traveled with us for a brief part of our trip and she had an unlimited data plan, but she, as others know, often experienced a slow download speed.

This year, we simply used google offline maps. No phone service or wifi required. We made a simple download of areas where we would be. In our case, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Italy and France. We focused on the specific areas, so that the downloads wouldn’t overwhelm our phone’s memory, but the memory of each map turned out to be a lot smaller than we had expected. The maps were just like being at home. The only limitation we noticed was that we couldn’t get walking or transit directions. It’s only for driving. In some city centers, where we always do a lot of walking, that was a minor issue for us, although, when we had internet, we could at least take a look ahead of time. Otherwise, it still showed where you were walking and where your destination was and was significantly better than most maps provided by info-places. It also showed popular sites, any landmark or restaurant we could think of, etc., in addition to street addresses. This is still a lot better than what you can get with a car rental. Anyway, who walks around an old city with the GPS system you rented from Hertz? And, as you are driving, almost miraculously, the familiar voice on google knows every roundabout you are about to encounter and usually gets you off the first time around.

(One note: Download the maps before you leave. You might need an overnight for that. The maps expire automatically after 30 days to free up phone memory, so if you need them longer, as we did, make sure you “update” them when you have wifi and that will give you another 30 days.)

I use Here WeGo. I used to use it on my Windows phone when it was a Nokia app, and now I am a reluctant Android user I use it still. I have the netherlands, Belgium, France and Germany permanently on the phone, and they update regularly. I add other countries if I need them. We used it several years ago to navigate around California successfully, all off line.
I have Google Maps as well which is sometimes more useful, but honestly I prefer Here, and the lack of Google tracking my every move. Both have quirky routing at times, and in can be interesting to compare the two.
I used Google Maps in the UK to get us to a shopping centre and when I looked at my timeline it listed every shop I had visited!

We have never rented a GPS abroad. We always took our handheld Mio but now we use Waze (offline). Much more effcient than our car's GPS (with TMC).
When in Oman some years ago, we bought an Omani simcard with some data and drove on Google Maps. Perfect!

I recently downloaded Google Maps when visiting the US, for the same reason Whitehall did. (My Italian provider recently replaced their 10-day international plan with a 30-day plan, and I couldn't justify the cost for a week's trip.) I was pleasantly surprised at how little difference there is between using live maps and downloaded maps. One difference is the lack of traffic information.

I realized that I should be using downloaded maps more often at home. For example, we spend part of every summer in a sparsely populated, mountainous area of Italy, where cell reception is problematic. It never occurred to me before to download the maps for that area.

Waze is owned by Google and they share resources. However, I didn't think you could download maps on Waze. How can you use it offline?

I bought a SIM card for my phone and Google maps worked great for driving and walking.I had downloaded some maps but we changed our routing so often that this worked well for us, driving in Sicily in dense fog and storms!

As a solo traveler without a mobile phone, I remain grateful for GPS and it's auditory directions. I've had great success with my TomTom, which I upgrade as necessary, and which has never created a problem when going through security.

BUT thanks, whitehall, for providing this information about an alternative that I suspect will help many! :tu:

We usually have three different GPS devices going at the same time to make it as confusing as hell for the driver. It gives the passengers comedy relief on our European drives as the devices offer different directions at the same time.

((H))

Our TomTom once tried to send us down a hiking path, but I have a sweet spot in my heart for its pronunciations. Autostrada = ow TOAST rada.

TomTom makes an app. It's not much less money than a standalone GPS but it turns your phone into a TomTom GPS. The free version lets you download a limited amount of maps. I think it would be enough for a city or smaller Italian province.

Better is TomTom also makes an Android app that adds things like speed limits and other warnings to any mapping software you might use. Including Google maps or Here. Can't remember if the speed limit app requires a live data connection.

With Google you can actually start a trip while using the hotel wifi and it'll give you the traffic etc at that point. Downloading the maps before is a good thing but by starting the trip while on WiFI you overcome some of the limits. You can get walking directions or traffic if you're driving. Obviously the traffic will be stale at the end of a long drive.

hetismij2 I like how Google at the end of the month emails me how many km I've traveled. All the cities and countries I've visited. The running lifetime total is also mildly amusing.

I've had some REALLY weird routing from Here. I keep it on my phone just in case but I pay extra attention to the routing.

Nothing is free.

In this case the cost is your loss of privacy.

Google use this method of downloads to ensure that you have location services activated. They then sell your tracked data.

Once the app has calculated my itinerary, I put my phone on flight mode.
If there's a lot of traffic and I need live traffic information, I use my 3G/4G data plan in the EU. Roaming costs have been abolished and I have an extensive data plan.

In reality I give up more real privacy when I go to the local corner store to buy something.

My husband's Garmin, which we once used in the US, pronounced "Americas" (as in Avenue of) Ah mair EE gahz.

We once met a couple at a truffle festival who lived near us. They asked how we had arrived, and when we described the boulder-strewn mule path we had taken, he said, "Oh, you have a Garmin, too!"

We downloaded google maps for Italy this year and it worked great offline. It does only work for driving though. I used an app called maps.me for walking directions (it worked great in Venice). My phone was on airplane mode the entire time.

For France travel, I still use my venerable (11 years old!) Garmin with a France map card, but am slowly converting over to MAPS.ME, which (Like HereWeGo) involves preloading maps (the whole country, in my case) and then using them offline. They are accurate and regularly updated, and I rely on them more and more. I suppose I look pretty silly with a Garmin on the dash and my Samsung phone with MAPS.ME clipped to a holder on an air vent, but that's the way I am transitioning.

We are loving maps.me

I'm getting ready to use it in Morocco in early December and, well, we'll see...hard to imagine anything could guide you through the souk in Marrakech.

“..hard to imagine anything could guide you through the souk in Marrakech.”

Nothing can.

Just absolute chaos. After 40 years of fell walking, travelling and sailing in 5 continents, I thought I could cope with anything. Still think that the souk fits into Steven Hawkin’s black hole theories.

Thankfully it feels very safe and very good fun.

If you are there StCirq, try to have breakfast at Hotel El Fenn. The hotel is incredibly stylish, the breakfast really good and the views are stunning,

[QUOTE=bvlenci;16821524]I recently downloaded Google Maps when visiting the US, for the same reason Whitehall did. (My Italian provider recently replaced their 10-day international plan with a 30-day plan, and I couldn't justify the cost for a week's trip.) I was pleasantly surprised at how little difference there is between using live maps and downloaded maps. One difference is the lack of traffic information./QUOTE]

We have tried several methods and lack of traffic information seems to be problematic on my trips. Or the stuff of family lore later.

We used a Tom Tom on one trip. It did not know that it was rush hour and would not let us choose a non-freeway route into Vienna. Then it did not tell us in time that we would need to change two lanes to get off. We believe we crossed the Danube three times, but we're not sure.

We used downloaded Google maps on another occasion and the road was closed and it could not tell that and kept trying to u-turn us back to that closed road. We gave up on that excursion.

The SIM card is best for those situations as you get real-time updates. The trade off is you need to pick one up at the airport or on one of the first days of your trip. You could of course, begin with downloaded maps, and if you into a bind, turn on your data and use the full mapping app on android or iPhone.

If you're starting at a hotel or even cafe with wifi you can get valid traffic. For the start of the trip.

It won't help if something happens during your trip but if you have regular stops on the trip you can get updates there.

For example I think all the Italian autogrills now have free wifi. You could in theory plan a long trip stopping in stops like that every two hours. Each stop you would get new real time updates.

OTOH having a SIM is much easier

British Caicos, this will be my 4th trip to Morocco and 3rd to Marrakech, so I'm quite used to getting lost in souks. I love the chaos!

I was just amused by the thought that some app might be able to make sense of it. I Don't Think So!

Thanks for the tip about the Hotel El Fenn! I googled, and it looks fabulous!

I can understand the revisits.

I have never seen anywhere so extremely different to our normal environment.

It’s disappointing that some locals see treat visitors as a cow to milk. I know it has been on people’s list since the 60s but Marrakesh is another example like Venice. It is busy for a reason.

We stayed at El Fenn for a very special birthday. It is owned by Vanessa Branson (Richard’s sister). It has the first impression of being very unwelcoming but it isn’t the staff are very warm people. If you wanted to visit book first or they will not let you in ! Also very good for star spotting if you are into that sort of thing.

How’s the weather in The Dor Dog Na ?

You mean the Dor Doyn? Miserable, frankly. Rainy, sleety, cold, gray, windy. We went from drought to floods almost overnight. But when the skies clear, if only briefly, it's a colorful place this time of year. We're going through piles of firewood.

The last time I was in Marrakech was also for a very special birthday, and I booked 4 nights at La Maison Arabe, which looks to be sort of on a par with El Fenn. I was absolutely bowled over by the level of hospitality Moroccans can provide. It was during Ramadan, which made for some interesting twists, but interesting twists is, to me, a lot of what Morocco is about. I took my one and only cooking class at La Maison Arabe, and it was the first time I'd ever plucked a pigeon - no doubt the last as well. Speaking of star spotting, not really my thing, but it was impossible not to notice at dinner at La Maison Arabe, especially with every delivery of the wine trolley, that the American Ambassador was having a torrid affair with the owner. Even the waiters were embarrassed.

I will certainly call El Fenn in advance for breakfast reservations. My BFF, who will be traveling with us, has a birthday during our stay and deserves a nice surprise like that.

In addition to Marrakech we will be visiting Essaouira and Taroudant and venturing up into the Atlas mountains and out to an oasis or two. Not sure what to expect as far as weather, but we'll be prepared and are always willing to re-arrange plans. I am looking forward to showing this magical land to my DH, who has never been.

Yes Dor Doyn!

But Dor DOG Na in our household after our silly dog.

Your trips to Morocco sound great.

The evening meals at El Fenn aren’t outstanding. For my wife’s birthday meal we ate at......Maison d’Arabe. The most enjoyable meal we have ever had. Not the best food ( that’s Hostellerie de Plaisance in Saint Emilion) but the setting round the pool and the service edged the overall lifetime exeperience.

We would love to go up to the mountains but the next two years of February half terms are planned.

Just one thought : does the Dordogne flood or is it controlled by the Hydro electric system?

It appeared to be very vulnerable to flooding.

There are 9 hydroelectric facilities along the Dordogne (Dams and lakes along the Dordogne River - Dordogne Valley Travel), but that doesn't mean it doesn't flood. Water can rise so fast no facility can quell it. I can remember crossing the narrow little bridge at Lalinde some years back and seeing a massive tree trunk come hurtling down the river and slam into the bridge just in front of me - the bridge was at that point only a couple of feet above the top of the water...and that wasn't far from one of the hydroelectric plants. EDF, the major electric company, tries its best to explain how these plants may minimize, but don't eliminate, flooding - https://www.edf.fr/en/edf/safety-0

The Vézère is another story. It floods easily and often. One of our workers this morning had to rush off to help someone who'd driven down to the banks of the Vézère to go fishing. The river was rising rapidly, so he turned back, only to find that the brakes on his car were malfunctioning and he couldn't drive out to the main road. Further, barriers had already been placed across the main road barring drivers from using it. Our worker managed to tow him out to dry ground, get him past the barriers, and temporarily fix his brakes.

We'll probably just do El Fenn for breakfast. I've got a list of much less elegant places in Marrakech I want to try for lunches and dinners (though those Moroccan breakfast sometimes last me pretty much all day). I'll be happy to have a bowl of harira in the jemaa el fna, a kefta tagine at the Henna Café, or whatever the Café Clock or Kasbah Café is serving.

I really like Lalinde, it feels as it is .., on the border of the Dordogne and the posh vineyards of the Gironde. We may base ourselves there next summer. We just need to find the perfect area to go to the vineyards, Dordogne and the coast of the Gironde over a two week trip.

i just don’t think that place exists!

I’m not sure when you last visited Marrakesh but here’s my trip report :

1. Don’t eat at Nomad : it’s a tourist trap with cold food.
and that’s it.
2. Don’t take photographs of Muslims, it is deeply insulting to some of the older generations, no matter how photogenic they appear.

The rest was really great fun.

If you want to be near Lalinde, I can suggest a few places, including a wine ch teau run by a friend of ours. But they're not near "the posh vineyards of the Gironde," but rather near the not-so-posh vineyards of the Bergerac area. Not sure such a place exists, either.

We do know about photography customs and will avoid the Nomad. Thanks.

Or buy one ahead of time e.g. the Dutch Vodafone SIM from eBay. For use in Europe, anyway...

We use google maps for driving and walking. It has taken us down goat paths and to the wrong place upon occasion, but so what? Overall it is pretty reliable. I esp like having Siri provide the directions as we drive. It allows me as the navigator to actually enjoy the scenery instead of having my nose stuck in a map. Even with gps availability, I must have a paper map. They are esp useful when planning the routing to ensure you arent taken to that goat trail, unless you want to go.

StCirq--hi there! We were in Marrakech as well as Essaouira and Taroudant & driving the Atlas mountains thru Tizi n'Test this past spring. Surprisingly the gps did fairly well in most of Marrakech including in the medina, not so great in Fez. Driving with it was fine with a few exceptions. Have a great trip.

Thanks, yestravel! We are SO looking forward to Morocco! We won't be driving on this trip, so no need for gps, and if we get lost in the souks, we don't care! There's always a minaret as a landmark:)