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topcat Aug 11th, 2004 02:55 PM

Thomas, if you want to drive yourself crazy trying to anticipate future exchange rates, look here:
http://www.forexnews.com/

KS452 Aug 11th, 2004 04:33 PM

I agree with others above -- the relative expense of a particular trip has much more to do with the buying power of the local currency at the destination than it does with the exchange rate du jour.

Here is a current survey reflecting high cost-of-living cities. This type of index almost always trickles down to also include the casual traveler/visitor.

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_...story_id=10607

nytraveler Aug 11th, 2004 05:15 PM

I think that judging by buying power of the currency can be deceiving - you really need to judge by the buying power of tourist items - hotels, restaurants, mueseums etc - not the whole economy.

If you judge by the prices UK residents pay for basic consumer goods the picture would be way worse vs the US - their food, electronics and even household staples are astonishingly expensive - and last time I was there I saw a bargain sale of the year ad for a new Accord for 20,000 pounds - can you believe it - like $35,000 for a basic family sedan. Which brings us to the real question - is everything really expensive there - or shockingly cheap here?

taggie Aug 11th, 2004 06:04 PM

Here's an (admitedly kind of odd)example of what an item costs where:
I like a certain brand of candle, from France. They're expensive as far as most candles go.
In the States, they run $40 - $45 US.
In London, I saw the candle on my last trip in the neighbourhood of £30.
In Canada, I got the candle for $50 Cdn, but have seen them at $55 and $60 Cdn.
In Paris they were around 25 euros.

allanc Aug 11th, 2004 07:52 PM

We find everything exensive in the UK but we still go because we love it-especially London. A Starbucks was 2GBP, in Canada it is just under $2-just under half. Oddly enough we find beer in a pub to be about the same. We like Selfridges. Last year I priced a shirt that I always buy in Canada for a suggested retail of $75 CAD. Exact same shirt-brand, thread count, the whole bit was 75GBP at Selfridges. This is our experience. Also find the so called duty free at Heathrow to be more expensive than full retail at home-particularily Harrods. But...this is the price and we are willing to pay. We just balance this off against what we save on trips to Greece or Turkey.

taggie Aug 11th, 2004 07:58 PM

allanc I totally agree about London... I just think of pounds as dollars while I am in the UK and worry about the bills when I get home :). I'll be headed there next week, and after that to Greece. However, our hotels in Greece, particularly Santorini, are no great bargain either!

GSteed Aug 11th, 2004 09:28 PM

London businesses simply follow classical economical rules. They raise prices until demand lessens. Auctions are a limited example of this phenomenon. Much of the London population probably prefers that there should be fewer tourists! Being expensive also adds a cachet to its image. "I've been to London!." "I've been to Bangor!." Which statement will impress your friends? Is the exchange rate 'miserable' for an Englishman travelling to the US? Maybe the longer experience of English businesses allows them means to charge higher prices and extract more profit from tourist sales.

Ann41 Aug 12th, 2004 01:07 AM

At the end of the day, for a traveler, the exchange rate really doesn't affect you very much.

Living in the UK is more expensive than living in the US. Cars are about 20%-30% more expensive. Gasoline/petrol is about 300% more expensive. I won't compare housing because that varies in both places by where you live. Restaurants, clothes and food shopping all are more expensive in the UK.

On top of this, my husband's salary is about 30% lower than in the US and mine is about 50% lower, in the same jobs.

We look at things in units and percentages, and we spend a much larger percentage of our salaries on living expenses in the UK than in the US.

On the plus side, we load up on cheap stuff when we're back in the States, made even cheaper with the strong pound, which pays for our flights.

walkinaround Aug 12th, 2004 02:36 AM

a few points:

keep in mind that the "big mac" type ratings of cost of living (COL) are usually use NY as a base city, giving it a rating of 100 and ratings are relative to this. This means that the rating changes based on the currency changes RELATIVE TO USD. This measure is totally irrelevant to the majority of the people in the world, who do not earn USD. For example, if the exchange rate changed dramatically, and london became the cheapest city in the world according to this scale, it is still costs the same for the local person (and visitors to UK using EUR, etc).

Similar to the argument above, NYtraveler's view of the honda is a bit simplistic. First, the honda would cost about $35,000 for YOU. For the Brit, it costs £20k. A few years ago that £20 car would cost YOU $25 -28k. Still costs the Brit £20k. Sounds like an obvious point but the flaw is that you are guaging the real cost of the car according to your own currency which is completely irrelevant.

Also, there are many more complications. First, a honda accord is not a "typical family sedan" in the UK. Others may disagree but unlike in the US, a family starting out with decent, professional jobs (e.g. teacher and entry level accountant) does not go out and buy a car like this, it's too expensive. Typically, a car like this is a company car earned as a benefit for those in professional jobs with significant experience. I could go on and on about this but the point is that you are looking at this from a US perspective.

is everything expensive in the UK for locals, yes. you don't see as much frivolous shopping as you do in the US.

gsteed, i don't even know how to respond to this as it is frankly rediculous and shows a great lack of understanding. Believe it or not prices in the UK are not set according to what can be extracted from USD using visitors (perhaps minor exceptions to this exist but to imply that this is the basis of the economy is foolish). The UK has an economy in its own right and to assume everything revolves around the dollar is arrogant (and of course all economies are related so there is influence in all directions). the average vendor in the UK makes much less profit than a similar one in the US. Although you see everything as expensive from your perspective don't assume that this means pockets are being lined. The thought that the high prices are engineered to add to the "cachet" are equally rediculous. Nor do i think people are impressed based on the COL for your travel destinations.

Finally, KS452, i don't totally agree, a €100 pair of shoes in Munich would cost $85 a couple years ago (probably a bargain - better bought in Munich), today it costs $125 and you can probably now do better to buy them in the US. The website you quote supports the opposite of your point as it works as i describe in my first paragraph---

quote>>>
European cities have shot up the table due to the weakness of the US dollar and the relative strength of European currencies like the euro: the continent has 20 out of the top 25 slots.

As others here, i have lived in UK and US each for several years and this is the basis for my view.

GSteed Aug 12th, 2004 03:02 AM

Sorry I was misunderstood. The question asked why the present exchange rate is low. Simple, the dollar is being devalued. It will continue to be devalued until major changes occur in US ecomomic and political policies and actions. English prices are high because England's marketing system is wasteful. The English rely on a many tiered distribution system, markups are added at each location.


Budman Aug 12th, 2004 04:01 AM

I can't recall the last time the U.S. devalued the $$$. Wrong terminology.

Actually, a weak dollar makes our goods and services overseas more affordable, is good for our economy, and will increase tourism in the U.S. Europeans are flocking to the U.S. mainly because of the exchange rate.

I guess I'm just going to have to live with the fact that my trip to Italy will cost me just a little bit more. I'll adjust and survive and have a GREAT time!!! Bring on the brunellos and the super tuscans!!! ((a)) ((b))

flanneruk Aug 12th, 2004 05:21 AM

GSteed:

Claptrap.

Give me a single <b> significant </b> example of multilayered distribution in the UK.

Britain's expensive because:
1. America runs its economy so as to create a devalued dollar
2. Britain, for arcane reasons, has high interest rates, which don't just inflate the &pound;, but drive all sorts of other costs up.
3. Land is expensive, and is part of every cost - rarely the case, for example with French hotels and restaurants.
4. In many cases, order runs are shorter in the UK than in the US
5. British businesses, partly because of high interest rates and partly because of their history of global trading, expect higher returns on capital than US businesses
6. Yes, high prices are a complicated way of saying that Brits, on average, aren't as well off as Americans, on average.

Britain appears expensive because:
1. Many of you are comparing central London with suburban Peoria
2. Many of you are pretending America's deceitful habit of hiding tax on retail sales doesn't exist, and forget that service in usually included in bills here. If you want to add 20% to the price, you're being unnecessarily generous
3. British hoteliers have an incomprehensible habit of being shifty about VAT when advertising to foreigners, and some restaurateurs are downright duplicitous about pretending service isn't on the bill when they present credit card slips
4. Many of you are looking at prices for brands, where we'd buy (generally superior) own labels, and are looking at them in central London convenience stores.

But I really struggle to think of a single industry where distribution layers are more complex here. In every example I'm familiar with, the opposite is the case.

walkinaround Aug 12th, 2004 05:46 AM

flanner's correct.

i don't mean to pick on anyone, it's just kind of funny...per steed, high prices in london are caused by:

1. supply and demand (ok, hard to argue here but hardly worth mentioning).
2. effort to keep tourists away because locals don't want them.
3. london wishes to enhance its image &quot;cachet&quot; by keeping prices high and making it a prestige destination for tourists.
4. businesses have &quot;longer experience&quot;(presumably because Britain is older than the US??), and therefore are better at gouging tourists.

now this is all a misunderstanding and it's really because of inefficiencies in the multi-tiered distribution channels.


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