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Gah... I so badly want to plan my next Europe trip, but I don't know where, or when.

Gah... I so badly want to plan my next Europe trip, but I don't know where, or when.

Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:23 PM
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Seriously, tell him to suck it up and fly coach.

A transatlantic flight in coach only seems daunting, and in a way it's unfortunate that his first transatlantic flight was in business, as he's been spoiled. Kids are going to change everything--not just your flexibility, but the economics of travel, so go while the getting's good.

Sounds like you're earning miles more quickly than you used to in any case.
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Nov 2nd, 2007, 02:19 PM
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You have the miles to fly business so do it! I did coach for 30 years and now I save miles to upgrade or get free BC trips. Do everything you an to keep earning miles. I just paid my house taxes with Amex, double miles this month, 5000 miles added in.

There are other alternatives to luxury hotels, rent an apartment in London, Rome or Paris, Amsterdam..eat in a few times a week with foods from the wonderful markets ,check out the free stuff in cities, get transport passes.

We are retired live on investment income and SS and manage at least 2 trips a year , one for 10 days and 1 for 3-4 weeks.We don't aste money on new cars, Strbucks in the Am and other trash.
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Nov 2nd, 2007, 08:38 PM
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It sounds like your honeymoon was first class, all the way.

Unless you've wealthy, you and your husband will have to come to grips with the fact that all subsequent trips won't be like that. Unless you wait for years between trips.

For me, I'd rather fly coach during the off season and Priceline a 4 star hotel in London for $135 plus taxes, visit free museums, walk around town, eat $20 ethnic or vegetarian meals and just enjoy being there. Well, first class is very nice, but one first class trip versus four regular trips is no contest for me.

[When travelling with DH and kids, it gets so much more complicated, with 4 airplane tickets, apartments, etc.]

Is it the European experience you're after? Or the experience of travelling first class? These are two very different things, although they can both be had on one very expensive trip.
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Nov 2nd, 2007, 08:43 PM
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It sounds like maybe you have the same problem I do. DH likes travelling, while I absolutely love it, so I'm always the one dying to go.

We go frequently together and with the kids, but last year and this year, I also took a solo long weekend in London, just because I missed it so much! In the off season, airfares can be reasonable. Last Feb, I paid about $380 (or something like that). Unfortunately, this October, the airfare was more like $670, but I had to go anyway...
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Nov 2nd, 2007, 08:57 PM
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Nov 2nd, 2007, 08:59 PM
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We just spent 700 USD each for flights to Venice on a very comfortable 767. After several A330 flights to Italy in coach, we thought the 767 was heaven. We use all the information we can to pick the most comfortable seats. This time, it really was fine.

Our apartment in Venice was about 1000 USD and we spent 150 on transportation passes that got us a lot of discounts into many venues and all transportation was included. We didn't shop, ate lunch either very casual seated or cichetti, and had a nice dinner every night. For about 1300 each, without meals, we had an incredible time in Venice for a week.

I cant imagine a more pleasing trip at a more pleasing price. It took some planning, but in the end, it was wonderful. I am older, but I was still comfortable.

And you can collect miles in a hurry if you really work it. We are going Biz class next May, but I don't really need to and neither does DH. It is all in what we tell ourselves we need to be happy. If I were you, I would have to prove to DH that he could do it in coach.

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Nov 3rd, 2007, 08:56 AM
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Thanks guys. I suggested that DH fly in business class while I fly in coach, and he said no way, he'd fly in coach with me before he'd make me do that. So, maybe he will come around to flying coach one day.

But we *do* have the miles for business now and since it does seem we're earning them faster than we did before (we've been putting everything on our Starwood AmEx and paying it off each month), I won't worry about burning the miles on this trip because hopefully we'll accrue enough in the meantime for our next one.

Looks like a 10-11 day
trip to London/Provence & possibly Amsterdam in September is in the works. I posed it to him as... yeah we'll spend money in London but we don't have to worry about accomodations because Rob lives there and has been inviting us to come for years. And our Provence B & B was the least expensive place we stayed in all of our travels last time - $125 euros a night - yet it was the place we liked the best!!!

He is definitely excited about the prospect of getting to go back earlier than he thought, and I'm so happy!!
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Nov 3rd, 2007, 09:04 AM
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I just noticed this comment posted by Travelgirl2:

"Is it the European experience you're after? Or the experience of travelling first class? These are two very different things, although they can both be had on one very expensive trip."

It is definitely just the European experience that I'm after. I don't need to travel first class, no way. In fact I wouldn't even say that our honeymoon was first class. But since it was our honeymoon and DH's first time to Europe, I wanted to do it up right. Certain things we splurged on... i.e., we had ocean views in Nice and lake views in Montreux, and a Paris Perfect apt. for example. So all of those little things cost extra money. But now that I've "been there, done that," we wouldn't need to stay in those kind of places again. We have the pictures and our memories to remember what the view of the Med. looked like from our hotel window in Nice.

Like I said we enjoyed our simple, comfy B & B in Provence the most and it was the least costly of all of our accomodations.

With DH it's a matter of comfort... he has a bad back and bed comfort and plane comfort is important to him. But I've learned that just because you spend more money on a hotel room, doesn't mean it will have a comfortable bed!!!
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Nov 3rd, 2007, 09:09 AM
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Some airlines have a class in between coach and Business class, with a little more space. Might that would satisfy your husband? Which airline is the one where you've amassed all those miles? Maybe it has a partner with "Coach+" British Air and United both have an Economy+ class.
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Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:50 PM
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You may not find the FF tickets on line, but call your airline and have them do a search. They can look into partners while you may not.

We got a direct flight from Cincinnati to Paris in August/September return, when we called, for the 50,000 miles award level on Delta, and it wasn't listed online. We do have to connect from Paris to Marseille, and from Nice on our return, but the overseas flights are direct to Cincinnati where we live.
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