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Jay Jul 6th, 2002 03:55 AM

French pronounciation
 
What's the proper pronounciation of:<BR>Place des Vosges?<BR>Thanks!

frenchy Jul 6th, 2002 04:18 AM

ploss day voje The sges is pronounced like the j in j'adore

Maggie Jul 6th, 2002 04:30 AM

Surely it's Plass day voje<BR>

anon Jul 6th, 2002 05:44 AM

Maggie, you are right BUT you are also British therefore already pronounce plass with a short a. we americans don't - so you gotta tell us<BR><BR>plahss<BR><BR>:-)

Maggie Jul 6th, 2002 07:37 AM

I'll try to remember that anon!<BR>Regards<BR>Maggie

Observer Jul 6th, 2002 08:28 AM

Fair pronunciation comment, anon, and fair guess that Maggie's British, with the .co.uk e-mail address . . . but what makes you think Jay or "we" are Americans?

frenchy Jul 6th, 2002 02:50 PM

I used ploss since Americans would pronounce plass to rhyme with pass, mass, crass, etc. plahss is better<BR><BR>Any ideas on how to phonetically spell the soft j sound, as in Jacques, j'adore, etc? American English doesn't really have that sound. The closest I could think of is the sia in amnesia or ambrosia. Any takers?

Rex Jul 6th, 2002 03:48 PM

French books typically cite treasure, measure, pleasure, leisure...<BR><BR>Best wijhiz...<BR><BR>:)<BR><BR>Rex<BR>

Leslie Jul 6th, 2002 11:17 PM

Observer - isn't the ".com" in the email address a tip off that the writer is in the US?

pedants Jul 7th, 2002 04:42 AM

observer - it is fair to guess that when she wrote 'we americans' she was referring to herself and other americans, whoever they may be, and not referring to the entire fodors group as a whole?<BR><BR>why do you care, just curious?

LMNOP Jul 7th, 2002 05:37 AM

1. midwestern Americans would pronounce "ploss" the way the French would say "place" -- the "o" is so broad and "flat" there. (First time I went to the movies near Chicago someone asked me if I wanted "hat puppers on my neachos" and it took me a moment to translate to "hot peppers on my nachoes.")<BR><BR>2. dot-com simply refers to a commercial domain, so no, it doesn't automatically mean an American address.<BR><BR>3. To help Americans with the "j'-" sound, try the second "g" in garage -- unless, of course, they pronounce it "garadge." Try "vision" in that case.


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