French anti-semitism in WW II

Feb 16th, 2009, 03:36 PM
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French anti-semitism in WW II

There are sporadic outbreaks of anti-Semitism in France. In WW II



France's highest court has recognised the state's "responsibility" for the deportation of Jews in World War II.

The Council of State said the state had permitted or facilitated deportations that led to anti-Semitic persecution without being coerced by the occupiers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7893127.stm
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Feb 16th, 2009, 03:40 PM
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Hit the enter key inadvertently.

In WW II it wasn't just people but the state according to France's highest court.
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Feb 16th, 2009, 03:43 PM
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You should not have hit the enter key at all.

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I think that everyone knows in WWII a good part of France was officially under German military control, and the rest was the Vichy "republic" allowed to exist because it followed German mandates.

During WWII there were antisemites all over europe - France was not alone. (But you forgot to mention the government in exile in London, the fact that the French admiralty scuttled the entire fleet in Toulon harbor so the nazis couldn't get their hands on the fleet, and that there were many thousands of French resistance fighters who fought the Nazis and helped Allied troops escape).

And why bring up ancient history at this point?

(As for antisemitism, how much do you think there was in the US then?)
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Feb 16th, 2009, 04:35 PM
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I think it's a good thing that the court has stated this for the public record.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7893127.stm

This is today's news, not ancient history.
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Feb 16th, 2009, 04:41 PM
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This has very little to do with the business of this forum.
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I agree, Padraig, but most of the business of this forum is bullshit anyway.
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Oops, sorry. I thought this was the Forum. That's bullshit.
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Attaboy Stu!
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Feb 16th, 2009, 06:10 PM
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To get a feel for the type of anti semitism present in France during WWII and some of the heroes, try to get a hold of the movie "Au Revoir les Enfants" a great movie. Especially watch for the restaurant scene which might help explain to you just what was going on.
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Feb 16th, 2009, 06:39 PM
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Specifically, or at least on a nomimal level, this forum was devised and is intended for the futherance of travel tips etc...If you wish to bring up the question of anti-semitism in France..either during WWII or in the 21st century, efforts should be directed to establishing such forums etc in the proper venue...not a Fodors travel page....

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Feb 16th, 2009, 06:43 PM
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Hi nytraveler; [As for anti-semitism, how much do you think there was in the U.S. then] AND STILL Iris
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Feb 16th, 2009, 06:51 PM
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Irrelevant to this forum.

Try the Lounge, where any and all grievances may be aired.
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JSmith and others, not sure if this is the right place to discuss anti-Semitism in France during WW II, but for those who are interested in the subject may I suggest a great book:

BAD FAITH A Forgotten History of Family, Fatherland, and Vichy France Carmen Cahill
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Hi latedaytraveler; When talking about
RACISM, every forum is the right place. Thanks for the book suggestion. ENJOY Iris
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Feb 16th, 2009, 07:24 PM
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deep iris , deep
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Feb 16th, 2009, 07:28 PM
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Just to make this thread appropriate to the travel forum, Paris has a Memorial de la Deportation at the rear of Notre Dame on the channel that separates Ile de la Cite from Ile Saint Louis.
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While this may not be the appropriate forum for this post, Aramis, you make yourself sound pathetically shallow with your sarcasm.
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I don't find this inappropriate or irrelevant. It's news and part of what makes a country, in the past, now and in the future. As a traveler--and a lover of France--I am very interested in such things.

Thanks, I hadn't seen this in the paper here at home.
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