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Franco's favourite ... Venetian sightseeing (plus transportation)

Franco's favourite ... Venetian sightseeing (plus transportation)

Jun 3rd, 2006, 12:02 AM
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Spygirl, thank you so much for taking over (I did indeed never doubt there are lots of Venicephiles here, and even some Venice experts among them). However, I'm sorry, but I doubt that your post will be very helpful for JaniceO - the link that you're providing does not explain what she wanted to know: you might not have noticed that the Carta Venezia is being listed there as "a travel card for residents of the Veneto region", and Janice wanted to know how to get it in spite of NOT being a resident. That's not clear from the helloVenezia website, but I hope it's clear from my post above - there's no other way to get it than the one I've described. Another site that doesn't explain how to get a Carta Venezia as a foreigner, but lists at least the abbonamento fares (which, too, are missing from the helloVenezia site) is http://www.actv.it/english/navigazio...iffe_vaporetto
As far as prr's park, the important question is not which line you've been taking (btw, spygirl: you mean 41 or 51 - the 42 is going the other way round, and to the left, there are no parks but exclusively water!) but from where you started - I'm sorry, but somehow, your memory plays you a trick: there is no canal between S. Marco and S. Michele, that's in fact the open laguna. If you start from S. Marco, i.e. from S. Zaccaria, you are actually passing by the Giardini, but they're on the opposite side of the city from S. Michele; and on the left side opposite S. Michele, there is no park (hardly anybody would call the S. Francesco della Vigna cloister garden a park; it's about twice as large as a living room). To arrive at a conclusion: just try it and go there; normally, it's worth going wherever in Venice! On the other hand, if you are sure that it's really the Giardini (maybe you can look on a city map), I'd only go while the Biennale is open - the Biennale part of the Giardini (closed to the public when there is no exhibition) is really marvellous, and moreover, there is this planet's most contemporary fine arts exhibition; the public part of the Giardini, however, is not sooooo great, there is in fact no difference to any nice park in any other city anywhere.
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So nice to see you around again, even briefly.

I always check your Venice threads when something has been added, although I may never - after ten or so visits of a week or more - return there again. So many wonderful memories of some of the hidden jewels of Venice, so many horrible memories of the throngs of tourists, even though I was generally there pre-season and staying in Castello, San Polo or Dorsoduro...
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Jun 3rd, 2006, 11:09 AM
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Franco and Spygirl,

Thank you for your responses both were helpful. Franco, since you know about the abbonamento, do you know if there is some type of documentation I would need to prove I was renting an apartment for a month? I have nothing really but I could e-mail owner if need be. If anyone else has the answer to this question, please feel free to jump in. I leave shortly and would appreciate any help. Thanks, JaniceO
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Jun 3rd, 2006, 12:00 PM
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Franco and Spygirl:

Yes, I do believe it would be the Giardini Pubblici. With so many wonderful sites to take in, I guess I did mix the location a bit. We got on the 41 vaporetto (I think) at S. Zaccaria, because it didn't stop at the park. Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to get there next time...and with Venice, there should always be a next time.

This was my 3rd visit-a week each time, and the fact that it is small in area, by no means describes what that small area contains. I forget how much I love it until I arrive at S. Lucia and step outside. Quite addictive.

We had an apartment this time and from now on, that will always be our way to visit. Agreeing with the contributors on the "places to eat in Venice" thread, we (2 couples) had a great Easter dinner from the wonderful offerings at the Rialto market. Cooking was really a joy (after getting acquainted with some of the oven challenges). We were in the S. Polo area, 1 block off the canal from the S. Silvestro stop, so it was a very good location for us. Loved the neighborhood! We kept in great shape, mostly walking instead of vaporetto, so we could indulge in all of the goodies without sacrifice. That means both eating and seeing!

Thanks again for the mention of many other sites we have yet to see!
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There's too much good information flying around! Bookmarking AGAIN!
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A useful tip: There's no need to post a reply to bookmark. Just go to the top of your computer screen and click on "Bookmarks" then "Add Bookmark." Every time you open your bookmark in the future, the new posts that have been added will appear.

If you want this thread to appear when you click on your user name, you do have to post a reply of some kind, such as I'm doing now. If I have nothing to add to the thread, I usually just type TTT.
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Jun 3rd, 2006, 04:33 PM
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Eloise, good evening! What a sad assumption - never to return to Venice! That would break my heart, as you can guess. But remember what we've been talking about here above - you still have to visit the Fondazione Cini! And in any other city of the world (Rome and Istanbul excluded), this alone would be considered worth the whole trip...

JaniceO - ok, I see that my original post, too, was not clear enough, sorry. That whole Carta Venezia thing is fairly misleading (that's in fact why I called that link not so helpful). The Carta Venezia (a permit to buy inexpensive tickets) is for residents only. You can't get it. - Break. - But you can get an abbonamento, a one-month-ticket. It has nothing to do with the unavailable Carta Venezia (originally). Everyone can get it. You don't need anything but the passport photo I've mentioned. No proof needed for having rented an apartment for one month. Just go to the ACTV office as described above, and you'll get it. - Break. - After your abbonamento expires (and that's what the ACTV doesn't explain anywhere), it miraculously turns into a Carta Venezia for three more years. NOW you have what you couldn't originally get. I hope I'll succeed this time to explain it - if not, I'll be around tomorrow, too...

prr761 - if you love to cook in Venice, you might want to check my "Venetian food" thread (the link is in one of my posts here above). On a recent request, I've added some recipes there that you can only prepare with ingredients from the Rialto markets (they're unavailable elsewhere, at least in that splendid quality).
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Jun 4th, 2006, 10:14 AM
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Thank you for the follow up - I understand the situation now and will check on the pass when I arrive.

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Jun 4th, 2006, 11:37 AM
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Franco...found the recipes and my mouth is watering! I will try some of them, with local ingredients (though you are right-can't really substitute those flavors) We got some tiny vongole and very fresh mussels at the Rialto and they were different even from the West and East coast U.S. flavor. You make me want to go back TODAY!!! Many thanks.
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I hope this is the right thread to post this question. I'm considering getting tickets to the I Musici Veneziani: Baroque and Opera concert at the Scuola Grande di San Teodoro through http://www.classictic.com, apparently a site without any booking fees, etc.

Has anyone gone to this type of concert or booked concerts through classictic.com? Would it be better to wait on this until I am in Venice? My wife and I will be there from August 18 through August 22 as part of our long anticipated 25th wedding anniversary Europe trip (we're also going to Florence and Rome) and I would be grateful for advice on this or other events.
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San Teodoro is a costume concert and the quality was so so when I attended it a few years ago. Try San Vidal or other with performers not dressed in periode costume. San Vidal was really good. I buy the ticket on the spot a few hours or a day in advance.
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Aug 2nd, 2006, 08:29 AM
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The Interpreti Veneziani who perform in contemporary clothing at the church of San Vidal are generally considered the best ensemble in Venice.

They have concerts on August 18, 19, 21 and 22.

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Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:40 AM
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Franco, since you recommend walking, could you add some information about the traghetti to your Venice post?

(At certain points, a traghetto -- a gondola -- crosses the Grand Canal for a very cheap fare. Here's a web site: www.cheapvenice.com/traghetti-venice.htm.
But I'm not sure if the price is up to date.)
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Aug 2nd, 2006, 10:01 AM
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Hi Kappa and Eloise,

Thank-you for your great advice about the Interpreti Veneziani who perform at San Vidal. Eloise, thank-you also for the link and checking my dates against their schedule. I will certainly make plans to attend one of their concerts.

Thanks again,

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Aug 18th, 2006, 10:25 AM
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Franco, Thank you in advance for your info on transportation to the Venice Airport.We will be staying at Hotel Bernardi, and we have a 7am flight. I have been unable to find info regarding schedules for the buses and vaporitti the early am hours. Do have a rough idea regarding how long this trip to the airport would be? Thanks again for your help!
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Aug 21st, 2006, 01:00 PM
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First of all, my apologies for not having checked "my" messages for quite a long while. Eloise and kappa, thank you so much for substituting.

blachman, they have given you far better advice than I could - as a mad record collector and opera lover, I never dared attending such a concert. I just can't imagine it would really satisfy me... What I might add is that the church of S. Vidal has the additional benefit of a really excellent Vittore Carpaccio painting on the high altar - no need to attend a concert just to see the painting, though: the church is open during the day, other than the Scuola Grande di S. Teodoro, whose Sala Grande is open exclusively for the concerts!!! (Which made me, guess what? - consider visiting a concert, yes, of the costumed Musici, just to see the Scuola! But I repeat, so far, I couldn't get over my reservations.)

Mimar, again, I apologize for not noticing your question earlier. The fare is still the same - what is not up to date, though, is the Riva del Carbon traghetto - it has unfortunately been discontinued for about two years, so there are only six traghetti left. The most important is the one linking the Pescheria to Santa Sofia, but where you'll get most gondola riding for your 40 Eurocents is S. Tomà - that's by far the longest traghetto! (Crossing the Grand Canal diagonal.)

CaptErnie, the schedules are to be found at http://www.actv.it and http://www.atvo.it/orari/pdf_airport/mpolovenezia.pdf, respectively (two separate companies for the land busses, that's why). ACTV is the public Venice transport company, they are riding both the water and the (greater part of the) land busses. What's interesting for you is the water bus N (the night line), if you really want to be at the airport two hours before your flight takes off; or no. 1, if you decide to go a little later. As for the land busses, you need the ACTV no. 5 for the early arrival; if you go a little later, you can also choose the airport shuttle of the second company, ATVO. To arrive at 5.05 a.m. (that's the earliest public arrival at Marco Polo airport, so no other passenger can be there earlier than that, unless s/he is crazy enough to pay a fortune for a taxi), you'd have to leave from Ca' d'Oro (the nearest water bus stop from Hotel Bernardi, I guess) at 4.19.
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FRANCO: Per the ABBONAMENTO thread with JaniceO: Thanks for your knowledge re getting an ABBONAMENTO for cheaper travel in Venice. I will be arriving on SUNDAY MORNING 24 Sept 2006 in Marco Polo Airport, probably taking the more convenient Alilaguna Blu line directly to Fondamento Nove for NINE DAYS at a Studio Apartment in Canale dei Mendicanti (offered by the inn which couldn’t accommodate me there!). But because the Alilaguna doesn’t leave early enough for me to make my plane on departure (so I must take vaporetti/ATVO bus TO the airport) AND because I wish to have the freedom to travel to tiny lagoon islands or lesser known parts of Venice, at a moment’s notice, multiple times, on different days, in bad weather, or late at night (I am a woman alone), a TRANSPORTATION PASS seems the best idea, at least as a backup, for security’s sake. But since I prefer scouting non-touristy neighborhoods to endless museums AND because I am a “starving artist”, the expensive VeniceCard doesn’t work for me. I would like to apply for the ABBONAMENTO (E8 plus passport photo & ID &”residential address”?) AS SOON AS POSSIBLE UPON MY ARRIVAL & then IMMEDIATELY PURCHASE A MONTHLY UNLIMITED TRAVEL CARD for E30. I have been trying unsuccessfully for 4 weeks to obtain further info re this. Since you seem most knowledgeable on this subject, here are my QUESTIONS RE the ABBONAMENTO:
1) Can I APPLY for an ABBONAMENTO ANYWHERE ON A SUNDAY? If at airport or near my apartment, where? If only at PIAZZALE ROMA, can I APPLY on a SUNDAY(so as not to lose my first day for travel)? If yes, what time? You say: “You need a passport photograph of each person who wants an abbonamento, you have to fill in a longish form, and you have to pay, of course“ so: 2) Is the Form Available in English (or easy enough to understand)? AND: 3) How long should I expect the process to take? AND: 4) Don’t I need my Passport ID? ( I ask this as I have been warned that the hotel may request my passport to register with the police, & I will try to keep it with me long enough to get the abbonamento first if such ID is required for that.) Further you say “But you can get an abbonamento, a one-month-ticket. It has nothing to do with the unavailable Carta Venezia (originally). Everyone can get it. You don't need anything but the passport photo I've mentioned. No proof needed for having rented an apartment for one month. Just go to the ACTV office as described above, and you'll get it.”, so 5) If I am asked for a “Residential Address”, do I need the Apartment’s actual Street Address, the apartment’s “Mailing Address” or just the Inn’s “c/o” address? (Or is this “address” not actually checked as you say that I must “pick … up “the abbonamento rather than having it mailed? Or is a mailing address required so they can notify you that the abbonamento is ready?) Further, I had been told that a month’s stay was required for the abbonamento, so 6 ) Is this correct, & if so, must I give exact date of my departure flight, or can I just fudge & say I will be there September & October-or do they simply not check? Or does the ACTV merely mean that one must purchase a monthly card minimum first purchase (fine with me, as it costs little more than a 3 day card) AND lastly, 7) Is the monthly a card for 30 days, or simply for the chronological month? (Eg- in my case, would it last only until 30 September 2006 & then I would have to make other arrangements for my last 2 days- in October? ) As you also say : “They'll provide a provisional boat-and-bus-pass (Is this TEMPORARY PASS given immediately upon application?), since it takes some time until your definite pass (with your photo) is ready - after three weeks or so, you may pick it up. And I recommend to really pick it up - though you'll buy the abbonamento for but one month, the pass, when expired, will give you the right for several years (three, I think) to buy "carnets", inexpensive tickets like the locals do - just 90 Eurocents for a vaporetto ride! You'll appreciate that when coming back to Venice within the next three years... “) but of course, I do not know WHEN I would return to Venice, so FINALLY: 8) Would a failure to pick up the abbonamento within a certain time period cause a problem picking it up later or applying for one a 2nd time after the 3 year expiration?
I apologize for all of these questions, but trying to get information from “official sources” etc has resulted in bits & pieces over several weeks, and the sooner I get ALL the information, the sooner I can prepare everything I need to get the abbonamento & monthly pass as soon as possible, or, if need be, be prepared to make other arrangements. I will be leaving for Venice shortly & wish as little last-minute stress as possible, so all of your information will be very greatly appreciated!!! Thank you so very much! Grazie mille! ?
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Aug 30th, 2006, 05:35 PM
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Welcome at the ACTV information desk, my name is Franco, can I help you?

Yes, I hope I can:
1. Only at Piazzale Roma, as far as I know. I've never checked, but can't imagine they could be open on Sundays. Just spend the first day strolling, you'll really need the vaporetto rarely!
2. I don't recall precisely, but I think it was bilingual Italian-English. If not, this can't quite be a serious problem, can it? Just ask the ACTV clerk if you have problems filling the form in...
3. Filling in the form? 10 or 15 minutes; the definitive pass won't be ready before your departure, but I repeat, you're immediately getting a provisional edition of your pass.
4. I don't think so. But anyhow, you should get your passport back from the hotel reception within a few minutes - for the registration with the questura, they don't need anything but a photocopy of your passport, which takes about 40 seconds to make...
5. The address of the apartment (NOT the hotel), which should read like Cannaregio, 6000-and-something, if you are on the Rio dei Mendicanti. The address is in fact good for nothing, since they won't mail you anything. It's just necessary because it is required, that's it.
6. No, it's not correct. The abbonamento just IS a monthly card, so this is not the minimum purchase but the one and only available purchase. Expired abbonamenti then TURN automatically into a Carta Venezia, but originally, abbonamento means nothing else than one-month-ticket.
7. For the chronological month. During your last two days, your abbonamento will already serve as a Carta Venezia, giving you thus the right to purchase a carnet (i.e. 10 tickets for 9 Euros, 90 cent each).
8. No.
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Franco: Grazie mille for your very prompt & comprehensive reply! (I only just found it because for some reason I had problems accessing the site the past few days) Anyway- Bless you ! You are a darling! I really appreciate all of the information, so quickly, accurately & succinctly, after all my failed attempts elsewhere. Now I know what I need & what to expect! I am a new member here so I haven't followed the threads & so don't know your connection with Venice; also I am sure everything is anonymous, as with other sites- but if you are in Venice now & I bump into you there, my gratitude would love to buy you a drink!! Thanks again so very much!
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