Flying with children. Oh, the pain.

Jul 25th, 2005, 12:18 AM
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Since they've got those entertainment centers on the back of the seats for transatlantic flights, my kids stay entertained for a long time. They love playing the computer games and watching the films.

Unfortunately, for toddlers, this won't help much.
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Jul 25th, 2005, 04:27 AM
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Being a child trapped on a plane for hours with scowling adults all around. Oh, the pain.

Being trapped on a plane with a twit griping about the children. Oh, the pain.

Being trapped on a plane with a clothes horse narcissist who thinks criticism is an artform reserved for "childfree" Nyokkiz and Minhattnites. Oh, the pain.

Who said: "If only more fodorites had the courage to admit to being an idiot"?
 
Jul 25th, 2005, 04:38 AM
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Ah, yes, the tried-and-true provocation thread (i.e., NYCTS has become a troll for today, as has David Brooks, a frequent role for him): "Children should be crated for shipment and not inflicted on real people."

God and the editors willing, this thread will go the way of ALL the others, but until it does:

I would prefer to travel with children long before I would prefer to travel with:

1. a disgruntled elite flyer who arrived too late to get his customary 1st c. upgrade;
2. a pair of businessmen/women conferring about their terribly important meeting with Jones, who shouldn't have been placed in that position without getting Smith in the loop, and I can't make the Chicago pre-meeting because Max ... oh, who cares why.
3. two drinking golfers who think we all love to hear about the game.
4. two drinking frat guys who think we all love to hear about drinking.
5. a power-dressed super-business woman drenched in perfume, who refreshes it an hour before we land.
6. a power-dressed super-business man drenched in man's cologne, who refreshes it an hour before we land.
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Jul 25th, 2005, 04:40 AM
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we are taking our 9 y.o. daughter on a return trip to paris this fall. she is looking forward to the trip, and when asked to what specifically, her reply was "beating dad at Caveman on the plane!" it's one time i am grateful for video games.
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Jul 25th, 2005, 04:48 AM
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AMEN, Scarlett, LoveItaly and Cassandra.

NYCTS--For people like my husband and I struggling to have kids, your comment about thanking G-d you're childless really, really hit a nerve. Some of us--ME--curse the fact we are childless. Do you realize just how callous some of your remarks are?
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Jul 25th, 2005, 05:04 AM
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Gawd, soccr, #5 & #6 make me wish I had a parachute!
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Jul 25th, 2005, 05:40 AM
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We are also childless Fodorites...we neither lament having no children of our own (we have adorable nieces and nephews) nor do we celebrate it (except at 10 am on Saturday mornings when we are lounging peacefully with coffee and the paper). There are plenty of childless couples who are *quietly* content with the fact.
However, I have no problems being seated near children in most instances. I accept that babies cry and toddlers are fidgety. The only time I'm really bothered is when slightly older kids disturb other passengers (kicking seatbacks DELIBERATELY and so on) and their parents do nothing about it. I had one such encounter with a spoiled 5 yo on a Northwest flight, whose mother said "he can do whatever he wants as long as he wants." Fortunately the FA intervened before there was a major incident.

As for David Brooks, this column was typical for him--that is, mostly rubbish. I understand why the NY Times runs him though--they use him to prove that they DO run the conservative point of view--all the while gloating that the conservative viewpoint as express by Brooks is so often way off the mark!
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Jul 25th, 2005, 05:53 AM
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It't not that I take issue with children on planes per se (after all I travelled regularly as a child - impeccably behaved, of course!), but with the parents who choose to ignore ill-manners and spoilt behaviour. I'm sure as a parent you can switch off to your own child's whining and grizzling and wriggling and shouting and kicking and general fractiousness, but since the rest of us are without the benefit of shared DNA don't assume we can.

If you're not prepared to at least TRY to appease said child, at least do the rest of us a favour and give it a sedative...
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:04 AM
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As well, I'm childless. It was an issue in my younger years - but now I enjoy it. No remorse.
I do wish that parents made SOME attempt at making older children behave. Sheesh, this is so ineloquent -Ditto BTilke and Tallula
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:21 AM
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When I am traveling on a plane with a fractious child and frazzled mom, I can usually come up with something in my purse or carryon that will help--a small toy, a banana, a pencil and paper. The mom usually has brought toys and food, but the novelty of something the child hasn't seen before, from a complete stranger, is sometimes enough to engage his or her interest.

On a recent flight of about 5 hours a 15-month-old toddler was inconsolable, and cried non-stop until she fell asleep. When she awoke, she began crying again. Most passengers took it pretty well, although some of us surreptitiously stuffed napkin bits in our ears to block out the sound.

It still did not compare to the worst flight of my life, when as a young mother I had my 18-month-old and four-year-old on a flight from NYC to Atlanta. Peoples' Airline--remember that one? We had already schlepped from the upper east side to Newark via the Port Authority bus; I had just one nerve left and the kids were on it. I did not buy a seat for my daughter, but kept her as a "lap" passenger (the last time I did that, ever, even though another child was born 3 years later). At one point, she stood in my lap and reached over the seat in front of us and dislodged the toupee of a male passenger. I was completely mortified and embarrassed, as was everyone else. How we made it through the rest of the flight I do not know; it's still a blur.

Needless to say, when I see parents whose children who are unhappy, loud or even misbehaving, I don't judge---but I sometimes do thank God that (this time) it isn't me!
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:31 AM
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KSWL yes you are one of those angels I have met! My son is a wonderful traveller having been flying since he was 5 months old and not really a problem when we are all prepared. I am amazed at teh amount of people who WANT to help and always seem to have a new idea up their sleeve. To all those who aren't just 'reactive' THANK YOU! For others who are at teh brunt of it - SORRY!
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:40 AM
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Mousireid, your gracious response is echoed by every parent in the same situation---they too are inevitably amazed and thankful.

You're welcome!
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:43 AM
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"...she screamed at the top of her lungs using every popular expletive imaginable. Clearly, the mother had reached her limit and lost control."

Tomorrow's article in NY Times - "Pain, Agony, Despair: Flying With Adults"
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:45 AM
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Gotta agree with Tallulah. I always put the onus on parents in these situations. They give their children the message as to what's acceptable behavior. It just amazes me the latitude some parents give their children these days--and in what situations they'll put them.

That said, on a recent flight from Italy, I sat next to two delightful and polite boys (ages 10 & 13) who were traveling with their parents.
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:49 AM
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Ooopsie daisy.

I know this will be little solace for the hyper-sensitive, self-absorbed, daft (pardon me, ThinG) fodorites, with no sense of humor, who took this thread and distorted every nuance to further some personal (and politically correct) agenda. It's a free internet forum so I'm not surprised. I can't stand political correctness and Bill Maher makes me howl (even though I often don't share his viewpoint).

Truthfully, soccr, I never considered referencing Brooks' article to be controversial. Foolish me. I thought it was funny, given what I recently went through, and I accept many here do not share my sense of humor. Such is life. I may not always agree with David Brooks but I do enjoy listening to what he has to say.

Cassandra, I sure hope you're feeling better. Take two aspirin for all that pain and call me in the morning.

OneWanderingJew, feel free to re-read paragraph one through three of this post. You took my God comment to such an unreasonable extreme and I find your finger-pointing-accusations more callous than you found my honest expression in-the-moment. I'm terribly sorry you feel cursed but feel free to take that out on me. I have enough patience and compassion to deal with you and all the ill-behaved children trapped on flights, and do it with a smile.
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Jul 25th, 2005, 06:56 AM
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I thought the article was funny; everyone is so sensitive these days!

I never wanted kids; never had an interest in raising children, but I do adore my niece and newphew. I get to play with them, buy them presents, then send them back to mom & dad (plus, I don't have to pay for their college!)

I don't understand why people take toddlers on vacations (island stays, cruises, etc). It seems like such a hassle, and they won't remember much. But I personally have had only one experience when landing where a child was screaming his head off for about 1/2 hour, about 10 rows away, thankfully. I think his ears hurt from the pressure.

Bratty behaviour is another issue, and I don't blame the children, I blame the parents. Kids don't raise themselves, and they need to be taught how to behave in public (over-indulgent parenting has bred a new generation of brats unseen in the past.)

I have an Ipod to shut out the screeching kids, obnoxious adults and lame movies.

Love that technology!
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