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gomiki Feb 6th, 2012 08:03 AM

Flight time question, Berlin to Paris to US
 
Posting for a friend. Anyone have experience with this scenario? Flight arrives at CDG from Berlin at 2:35PM. Flight from Paris to US leaves at 4:10PM. Both are Air France. I know that it depends on arrival time of Berlin flight but is this doable?

Michel_Paris Feb 6th, 2012 08:45 AM

Same airline? Is luggage checked through from Berlin to US?

gomiki Feb 6th, 2012 08:55 AM

No. Flies Terminal 2D and out of 2E. Need to be there one hour before. Sounds iffy.

janisj Feb 6th, 2012 08:57 AM

"<i>Need to be there one hour before</i>"

If it is a US bound flight, one hour is generally not enough.

J62 Feb 6th, 2012 08:58 AM

Airline is Air France, bags will be checked through and boarding pass for all flights will be issued in Berlin.

I would have no issues with this itinerary.

Sarastro Feb 6th, 2012 09:05 AM

If you are using a single ticket and luggage is checked in at Berlin for pickup at the US destination, there is a good chance that this connection can be successfully made. I personally would not accept a connection through any airport in the world of less than 2 hours but AF is famous for scheduling these very short connections through CDG and they seem to be set up to help those making them.

Anyone originating at CDG for a North Atlantic flight will need to allow a lot more than one hour for check in; 3 hours is not too much time.

gomiki Feb 6th, 2012 09:33 AM

Thank you everyone. This won't work. The Berlin ticket is a separate ticket on Air France. For a side trip. So no way will this work.

J62 Feb 6th, 2012 09:52 AM

Why do you think that matters? You can still check-in all the way.

gomiki Feb 6th, 2012 10:38 AM

I have never done this. So in Berlin he can check the bag through for the US flight? Even though it is two separate tickets?

janisj Feb 6th, 2012 10:38 AM

He can probably check his bags through. That shouldn't be an issue. However, being separate tickets, if he does miss the connection he is on his own . . .

Sarastro Feb 6th, 2012 12:20 PM

I have never heard of an airline checking luggage to a destination which is not that of the ticket with which the passenger is travelling. Meaning, you will need to pickup your luggage at CDG and then recheck it for your second flight. The TSA still approves the passenger lists of any air carrier which approaches US airspace and the TSA insists having the list one hour before scheduled departure time. A passenger must complete the checkin process by the cutoff which is why transatlantic departures require so much lead time.

As an example, American and United both request that transatlantic passengers, departing CDG, be at the checkin counters 3 hours before scheduled departure. There is absolutely no way you can make a connection through CDG using separate tickets with less than 2 hours time. If you miss the second flight segment, you´ll be left holding worthless tickets to the USA and will need to repurchase new tickets.

Give yourself more time (4-5 hours at CDG) or purchase a connecting ticket and let the airline assume all of the connection risk.

dfourh Feb 6th, 2012 12:42 PM

>>>>>> have never heard of an airline checking luggage to a destination which is not that of the ticket with which the passenger is travelling...

As long as it is an IATA carrier (like Air France) you can "interline" bags. I've done this connecting to separate tickets between airlines like Delta/BA (but allowed a six hour connecting time in Gatwick).

What you have to do is inform the agent at check-in that you have a connecting flight, show evidence of it, and ask that your bag routed through. The agent will NOT be able to see your connecting flight in the computer - - instead the agent will have to manually type in the flight information, then generate bag tags to include the final destination. (This can even have an advantage - - my folks avoided the AA $25 bag fee by doing this on a CDG-ORD // ORD-MCI connection from AF to AA on separate tickets).

gomiki Feb 6th, 2012 01:33 PM

Thanks for the additional info!

janisj Feb 6th, 2012 06:21 PM

"<i>I have never heard of an airline checking luggage to a destination which is not that of the ticket with which the passenger is travelling</i>"

Of course they will. At least many will. Now, most budget airlines like easyJet in Europe and Southwest in the States don't interline. And BA is notorious for not checking through - sometimes even for their partner carriers. But IME the majority of airlines will.

Sarastro Feb 6th, 2012 07:26 PM

Checking baggage on an international flight (which is what the OP is asking about) is much different than checking baggage on a domestic flight. International flights require a positive passenger/baggage match. If for any reason a passenger checking luggage does not board a flight, his luggage must be removed. Similarly, air carriers will not accept a passenger´s luggage for an international flight when the passenger himself is not even checked in for the flight (as is the case here).

Many of these rules change pursuant to Pan Am flight 103 in which luggage containing a bomb was loaded onto a flight which the passenger himself never boarded.

janisj Feb 6th, 2012 07:52 PM

I have checked bags through many times on different tickets - domestic and international. Just don't ask BA to do it.

"<i> International flights require a positive passenger/baggage match.</i>" So do domestic flights . . .

AGM_Cape_Cod Feb 7th, 2012 01:29 AM

In this situation I would call AirFrance and ask if (and how to get) the bags checked through. If the bags are checked through it should be no problem

Sarastro Feb 7th, 2012 02:46 AM

<i>So do domestic flights . . .</i>

In theory this is correct but there are exceptions for domestic USA flights, the details of which are beyond the scope of this forum.

nytraveler Feb 7th, 2012 04:23 AM

I don;t think the issue is the bag. I thnk the issue is that these are two separate tickets. If the flight in is delayed - or the security ine is long the passenger will be considered a now show for the second flight - and will have to buy a ticket for a differnt flight - at vry probably a walk-up (much higher) rate. The risk is having to pay way more the flight home - and given conditions at CDG I don;t think the risk is a small one.

kybourbon Feb 7th, 2012 07:20 AM

You can interline your baggage, but I think the problem is going to be boarding. TATL flights start boarding a lot earlier because of size of the planes.


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