Flamenco in Madrid...Corral de la Morería or Casa Patas?
Oct 1st, 2007, 05:41 PM
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Irego:
I grew up in Southern Ca. in the "Valley" (as in the movie "Valley Girl" remember that?)
I now live in Simi Valley CA About 45min from Los Angeles.
I owe my love to flamenco to both of my dear parents who took me to see any dance ompany that came to L.A. from Spain and paid for dancing lessons. And I waited waaaay too long to get to Spain myself. I am 51 no but I will go as often as my budget permits.
BTW did you see the recent scathing post on Corral de la Moreria, 300E??? Wow!
I do recall that Casa Patas was not as pricey when we went in May of this year I will look for the receipts no where near that with dinner.
I will look it up and let you know. I know I would never have dinner at Moreria though it is too small and crowded for that, just tapas.
I grew up in Southern Ca. in the "Valley" (as in the movie "Valley Girl" remember that?)
I now live in Simi Valley CA About 45min from Los Angeles.
I owe my love to flamenco to both of my dear parents who took me to see any dance ompany that came to L.A. from Spain and paid for dancing lessons. And I waited waaaay too long to get to Spain myself. I am 51 no but I will go as often as my budget permits.
BTW did you see the recent scathing post on Corral de la Moreria, 300E??? Wow!
I do recall that Casa Patas was not as pricey when we went in May of this year I will look for the receipts no where near that with dinner.
I will look it up and let you know. I know I would never have dinner at Moreria though it is too small and crowded for that, just tapas.
Oct 1st, 2007, 06:14 PM
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um, amsdon, we're neighbors! I live in West Hills and my husband's law office is in Westlake Village! I smell a meeting brewing!!! Small world!
FYI, I do have reservations at Moreria. Of course, nothing is set in stone. And yes, I saw the recent scathing. I don't intend to have anything but drinks and maybe tapas, and a really good time!
Any interest in meeting for coffee?
FYI, I do have reservations at Moreria. Of course, nothing is set in stone. And yes, I saw the recent scathing. I don't intend to have anything but drinks and maybe tapas, and a really good time!
Any interest in meeting for coffee?
Oct 1st, 2007, 06:59 PM
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Oct 1st, 2007, 07:35 PM
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I have the credit card bill from my visit to Casa Patas in August. The total for dinner and the show was $175 for two people. The show alone was in the neighborhood of 30 euros apiece, if I remember correctly, and that included one drink apiece. The balance was what we paid for dinner for two.
Oct 9th, 2007, 10:41 AM
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H Irego:
I have e mailed Corral re their performcers during early January.
They have not set things in stone, but looks like Angel Munoz will be there as the male dancer (He wonderful byw I saw him with Paco Pena's group)
The female is TBD.
So in anycase you will need to keep an eye on the website (as I will) to see if anything changes.
The show with Angel should be good. Here's his personal website http://www.angelflamenco.com/bio.htm
I have e mailed Corral re their performcers during early January.
They have not set things in stone, but looks like Angel Munoz will be there as the male dancer (He wonderful byw I saw him with Paco Pena's group)
The female is TBD.
So in anycase you will need to keep an eye on the website (as I will) to see if anything changes.
The show with Angel should be good. Here's his personal website http://www.angelflamenco.com/bio.htm
Oct 9th, 2007, 08:20 PM
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Hi Momincv:
Here is a good site for flamenco in general. It does list some of the Tablaos in Sevilla, some of which have their own sites. Also check out the clubs/bars section and penas. This is
http://www.deflamenco.com/sitios/sit...rio=5&sitio=04
It depends on your budget too Tablaos can get pricey. Los Gallos is world famous if not touristy as is El Arenal.
Casa de la Memoria is not a tablao really there are no drinks not food.
As for December, did you see my post re Rutas de los Territorio Flamencos?
They are small free classes & lectures sponsored ny the tourism office i Andalucia (Junta Andalucia) taking place in December too.
http://www.andalucia.org/flamenco/re...=30&idioma=eng
Which ever you choose as far as clubs or tablaos, do not go early. Take a nap and be prepared to go very late
Flamencos are night people.
Here is a good site for flamenco in general. It does list some of the Tablaos in Sevilla, some of which have their own sites. Also check out the clubs/bars section and penas. This is
http://www.deflamenco.com/sitios/sit...rio=5&sitio=04
It depends on your budget too Tablaos can get pricey. Los Gallos is world famous if not touristy as is El Arenal.
Casa de la Memoria is not a tablao really there are no drinks not food.
As for December, did you see my post re Rutas de los Territorio Flamencos?
They are small free classes & lectures sponsored ny the tourism office i Andalucia (Junta Andalucia) taking place in December too.
http://www.andalucia.org/flamenco/re...=30&idioma=eng
Which ever you choose as far as clubs or tablaos, do not go early. Take a nap and be prepared to go very late
Flamencos are night people.
Oct 10th, 2007, 01:35 AM
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kenderina: Thanx for the clarification about 'duende.' Castellano is not my mother tongue, English is. I was also speaking French quite fluently before I studied Spanish.
My wife is Madrileña: born in Madrid in 1935, months before la Guerra Civil de España began. Like her contemporaries, she endured many hardships during the Siege of Madrid that defined her early childhood years.
lregeo: I am retired in Philadelphia
My wife is Madrileña: born in Madrid in 1935, months before la Guerra Civil de España began. Like her contemporaries, she endured many hardships during the Siege of Madrid that defined her early childhood years.
lregeo: I am retired in Philadelphia
Oct 10th, 2007, 03:21 AM
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hi, irego,
just found this thread. Are you stil here or have you gone yet?
we went to a show at cafe de chintas. i am not a flamenco expert at all, but the male cantor and one of the female dancers [who was dressed as a man!] were excellent. also a "guest" male dancer was vey good, IMO.
there were some spaniards in the audience as well as us tourists.
we had a drink included [the wine was better value than the beer] and some tapas. I think it cost about 120E for both of usm but that's a guess.
have a good time,
regards, ann
just found this thread. Are you stil here or have you gone yet?
we went to a show at cafe de chintas. i am not a flamenco expert at all, but the male cantor and one of the female dancers [who was dressed as a man!] were excellent. also a "guest" male dancer was vey good, IMO.
there were some spaniards in the audience as well as us tourists.
we had a drink included [the wine was better value than the beer] and some tapas. I think it cost about 120E for both of usm but that's a guess.
have a good time,
regards, ann
Oct 10th, 2007, 04:16 AM
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Nedsireland, your wife is almost my mom's age (she was born 1933 in Salamanca). Very hard times, I know.
And you do quite well with Spanish, I'm sure, while I struggle with my english , that's life , you have the teacher at home
And you do quite well with Spanish, I'm sure, while I struggle with my english , that's life , you have the teacher at home
Oct 10th, 2007, 08:26 AM
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Hi amsdon.
What is the difference between tablaos and penas? There will be 5 adults in our group (our son and his new wife and our daughter, they are in their 20's) We would like to see great flamenco. When you say go "late" what time is that? Do you sit down and watch a show? Sorry for my ignorance.
What is the difference between tablaos and penas? There will be 5 adults in our group (our son and his new wife and our daughter, they are in their 20's) We would like to see great flamenco. When you say go "late" what time is that? Do you sit down and watch a show? Sorry for my ignorance.
Oct 10th, 2007, 12:23 PM
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hi, mom,
the "proper" flamenco tends to start late by any standards apart from spanish ones. at the cafe de chinitas there were two shows - the one at about 10pm which we went to and which started well after 10.30, and there was another show at 12midnight.
anything before about 10 pm is likely to be aimed exclusively at tourists because that's just too early for any self -respecting spaniard to be going out!
regards, ann
the "proper" flamenco tends to start late by any standards apart from spanish ones. at the cafe de chinitas there were two shows - the one at about 10pm which we went to and which started well after 10.30, and there was another show at 12midnight.
anything before about 10 pm is likely to be aimed exclusively at tourists because that's just too early for any self -respecting spaniard to be going out!
regards, ann
Oct 10th, 2007, 01:49 PM
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ann - I was just about to comment on the show hours. We figured the late show might be the more "afficionado"-tailored show, but aside from one other American woman, we were probably the only non-Spaniard, non-Gitano people in the room. We barely made the cut-off for dinner at 10-ish, and were then given preferential seating in the theatre room. The steak I ordered was a little tough, but delicious!
Oct 10th, 2007, 08:21 PM
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Hi Mom & everyone:
This is for you in Sevilla flamenco:
http://www.discoversevilla.com/defau...d=102&page=348
Here's a little something about Penas too since you asked http://www.andalucia.com/flamenco/pena-flamencos.htm
Again:
(A detailed list of Tabloas, Penas and flamenco bars is here for the navigating in case you missed it:
http://www.esflamenco.com/scripts/ne...rmIdPagina=294)
Also in addition to Penas & Tablaos on this list are also casual flamenco bars. Go 1 am or later for sure.
Mom, For me as a tourist, well I have a tough time staying out until 5 am and then heading for a museum at 9 am. But if you are game, try to plan a late night. The first shows, as the others have mentioned, are less inspired and really targeted for the tourists. You can do a "touristy" flamenco place one night (do the second show always) and be in bed by 1 or 2 am, or continue on to a flamenco bar & see what happens....but plan for the late night (take a nap) otherwise the group is going to be lagging.
BYW since you have young people too I hope you know that discos and so forth don't even get going until after 1 am.
Have a terrific time..
This is for you in Sevilla flamenco:
http://www.discoversevilla.com/defau...d=102&page=348
Here's a little something about Penas too since you asked http://www.andalucia.com/flamenco/pena-flamencos.htm
Again:
(A detailed list of Tabloas, Penas and flamenco bars is here for the navigating in case you missed it:
http://www.esflamenco.com/scripts/ne...rmIdPagina=294)
Also in addition to Penas & Tablaos on this list are also casual flamenco bars. Go 1 am or later for sure.
Mom, For me as a tourist, well I have a tough time staying out until 5 am and then heading for a museum at 9 am. But if you are game, try to plan a late night. The first shows, as the others have mentioned, are less inspired and really targeted for the tourists. You can do a "touristy" flamenco place one night (do the second show always) and be in bed by 1 or 2 am, or continue on to a flamenco bar & see what happens....but plan for the late night (take a nap) otherwise the group is going to be lagging.
BYW since you have young people too I hope you know that discos and so forth don't even get going until after 1 am.
Have a terrific time..
Oct 10th, 2007, 09:01 PM
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A word about flamenco enjoyment
You may see that I use so many links and website references.
I recommend:
Buy a CD
Buy/borrow a flamenco book
Listen to flamenco on a classical radio station some have dedicated flamenco nights)
Rent or buy a flamenco video
Peruse some the flamenco websites. They all have an introduction to flamenco section.
See the Museo del flamenco in Sevilla.
Look up the local flamenco venues in your home town.
Get ideas & feedback from others here & other sites.
Register for e mail of flamenco newletters in Englsh or Spanish.
Learn about Palmas (hand clapping)
and jaleos (the flamenco way with encouragements...it's a lesson in itself.You may be on you way to being an afficionado and mastering these things too. Flamenco is great that way.
Many people, understandably, have pre concieved notions & expectations from TV and movies of what flamenco should look or sound like. It is certainly NOT about Catherine Zeta Jones in Zorro..and noboday ever puts a rose in their teeth EVER!
Flamenco can be vibrant, happy, intense, earthy, sorrowful, & often raw. There are many categories, styles & trends. Traditional versus modern & even cutting edge. No doubt you will like some more than others.
But if you are going to invest $$ in a full on flamenco evening, a little research here and there will help. You will get alot more bang for your buck
(not to mention enjoyment) if you know a bit more about what to expect. Also plan your time acoordingly & maybe take a nap for a few hours before that late night. You will find that a just little bit of insight will double your appreciation of flamenco.
Have an open mind and I hope a night to remember!
You may see that I use so many links and website references.
I recommend:
Buy a CD
Buy/borrow a flamenco book
Listen to flamenco on a classical radio station some have dedicated flamenco nights)
Rent or buy a flamenco video
Peruse some the flamenco websites. They all have an introduction to flamenco section.
See the Museo del flamenco in Sevilla.
Look up the local flamenco venues in your home town.
Get ideas & feedback from others here & other sites.
Register for e mail of flamenco newletters in Englsh or Spanish.
Learn about Palmas (hand clapping)
and jaleos (the flamenco way with encouragements...it's a lesson in itself.You may be on you way to being an afficionado and mastering these things too. Flamenco is great that way.
Many people, understandably, have pre concieved notions & expectations from TV and movies of what flamenco should look or sound like. It is certainly NOT about Catherine Zeta Jones in Zorro..and noboday ever puts a rose in their teeth EVER!
Flamenco can be vibrant, happy, intense, earthy, sorrowful, & often raw. There are many categories, styles & trends. Traditional versus modern & even cutting edge. No doubt you will like some more than others.
But if you are going to invest $$ in a full on flamenco evening, a little research here and there will help. You will get alot more bang for your buck
(not to mention enjoyment) if you know a bit more about what to expect. Also plan your time acoordingly & maybe take a nap for a few hours before that late night. You will find that a just little bit of insight will double your appreciation of flamenco.
Have an open mind and I hope a night to remember!
Dec 17th, 2007, 07:11 AM
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Ok, preparing to leave and now have a bit more information. The performers at El Corral on the night we attend will be
Charo Espino and Angel Muñoz and the flamenco cuadro.
The performers at Casa Patas the same evening will be
Bailaor: KELIAN JIMÉNEZ
Al cante: ANTONIO ESCUDERO Y SAÚL QUIROS
Al toque: JESÚS DE ROSARIO E IVÁN LOSADA.
Those in the know, please, guide me. Which would you choose and why? Thanks.
Charo Espino and Angel Muñoz and the flamenco cuadro.
The performers at Casa Patas the same evening will be
Bailaor: KELIAN JIMÉNEZ
Al cante: ANTONIO ESCUDERO Y SAÚL QUIROS
Al toque: JESÚS DE ROSARIO E IVÁN LOSADA.
Those in the know, please, guide me. Which would you choose and why? Thanks.
Dec 17th, 2007, 09:41 AM
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Hi Irene:
I know you looked everything up, but which date exactly? You are looking at January correct?
Of course I would say go to both.
Bit strictly from a a dance point of view I would say Angel Munoz is the more known & seasoned dancer.
I have seen him in person in a thater/concert setting and I think he is terrific. http://www.flamenco-world.com/magazi...el28032007.htm
Unfortunately I have not yet seen Kelian Jimenez. I know he is alot younger (not that Angel is old by any means but Kellian looks to be in his 20s)
Again let me know which night.
My Other question is this, if you went to see Angel Munoz can you stay for the same price & see the last show? I belive so but not sure depending on if you have dinner or not. Let me know if you want me to find out for you..
ams
I know you looked everything up, but which date exactly? You are looking at January correct?
Of course I would say go to both.
Bit strictly from a a dance point of view I would say Angel Munoz is the more known & seasoned dancer.
I have seen him in person in a thater/concert setting and I think he is terrific. http://www.flamenco-world.com/magazi...el28032007.htm
Unfortunately I have not yet seen Kelian Jimenez. I know he is alot younger (not that Angel is old by any means but Kellian looks to be in his 20s)
Again let me know which night.
My Other question is this, if you went to see Angel Munoz can you stay for the same price & see the last show? I belive so but not sure depending on if you have dinner or not. Let me know if you want me to find out for you..
ams
