kb0728

For my 30th birthday (ugh!) I'm celebrating by taking my mom and older brother to Italy and on a Med. cruise in August. We will land (from the U.S.) in Rome and have 8 1/2 days before we get on the cruise. The plan is to travel immediately from Rome to Florence, then go to Venice, then go back to Rome with a day trip to Naples/Pompeii (the cruise leaves from Civitavecchia). I know this is a lot for 8 days, but we really want to see a lot of the country and just hit the highlights of each city for this trip. We will spend the majority of the time in Rome. Neither my mom or I have ever been overseas, but my brother was in Italy for 2 weeks about 10 years ago. He drove the whole time and travelled most of the country.

So, should we take the train for these trips or rent a car? Here are the factors to consider: none of us speak Italian (though I will try to learn some); I'm trying to keep costs down (since this is adding up fast!); I'm scared of driving in a foreign country even though my brother did it before; but the thought of navigating a foreign train system is also scary; we are suburbs people in the US--not familiar with public transportation generally; if we rented a car we would probably only need it for 1/2 the week--once we got back to Rome (where we'll spend the most time) we could turn it in to FCO and start taking the metro/walking everywhere.

Thanks for your help! This board is great! I'm sure I'll have a lot of other questions over the next 6 months, so please bear with me. I've never traveled out of the states before!

thursdaysd

Train. The car will be worse than useless in the cities. See slowtrav.com, seat61.com and loads of posts here for info on taking the train in Italy.

cheryllj

If you are only planning on seeing the cities of Rome, Florence, and Venice, then take the train absolutely. There is no need for a car unless you wanted to venture out into the countryside.

You can manage the train system fine. I don't speak Italian and I managed without much trouble, just by asking questions. There are generally English speakers to be found everywhere in train stations, if you look lost.

jabez

" I know this is a lot for 8 days"

I really don't think you do. This isn't just "a lot", it's manic.
I think that you are doing a nice taking your family to Italy. I also think that you are wise to ask your question here, but do expect many seasoned Italy travellers to attempt to persuade you to radically change your plans. You might read a couple "well we did it",which means it's possible. But, it's not the best way to enjoy and experience your trip.

My first advice almost always says that Rome needs time. My second is "so does Venice and Florence".
With 8 nights total, you could spend 4 in Rome , one in Florence and three in Venice. Totally skip Naples.
This,however,just has too much travel involved.
Since ytou are ony interested in bigger cities, take a train.Driving in Italy,however, is a snap (excluding the cities mentioned).The trains are very easy to take, even with no Italian langiage skills.
By the way,"30th birthday (ugh!) ",I have sweaters older than you.
Enjoy planning your trip!

Vttraveler

Another vote for trains. It is not hard to navigate the train system in Italy especially when you are going from one major city to another.

StCirq

Forget Naples/Pompeii. Take a half-day to visit Ostia Antica instead. You do not have time for Naples/Pompeii. You barely have enough time for your other three destinations.

And I agree a car would be of no use whatsoever.

ellenem

Here's a direct link to the very comprehensive description of using trains in Italy:

http://www.slowtrav.com/italy/trains/index.htm

kb0728

Thanks for all the fast responses everyone! Jabez....I bet those sweaters are lovely!

I was in favor of the train, but my brother is insistent on the car. He thinks it gives us more flexibility that way. He doesn't want to be tied down to train schedules and have to rely on public transportation to get absolutely everywhere (although he admits he wouldn't drive in the cities...just to the hotel and park).

How do I convince him that the trains are more convenient?

yorkshire

If he wants a car, then he can do all of the driving. and parking. and navigating.
Who needs all that on a vacation? I know sometimes/some places you need a car, but this is not one of them. Part of the fun of travel is doing things like figuring out the train, people watching on the train, and relaxing while you stare out the window.
Going between major cities, I'm sure the schedules will be convenient.

yorkshire

Aside from my rant, my suggestion is to print out the schedules for getting between the cities in your itinerary and presenting all the research you have done with the links provided above.

StCirq

Is he going to drive through the canals and park in Venice?

A car is nuts for this particular trip, and this from someone who adores driving in Italy...

Either rent a car and head for the countryside or stick with your plan to visit three big cities and take the train.

You're already cramming too much into too short a time. When you add in the time your brother will be lost or trying to park in Rome and Florence, your vacation will be over before you've arrived anywhere.

ellenem

If Italians were making the trip you plan, they also would leave their cars home. They know how crazy it is to drive in an unfamiliar city. For your routes, there are virtually hourly departures--your brother needs more convenience than that?

And now there is the added incentive of costly traffic fines for driving into the historic center of Florence without a permit. Most people find out about the fines when a half dozen costly traffic fines show up on their credit cards six months after their trip.

LoveItaly

Hello kb, how fun to be taking time in Italy plus a cruise with your family!

I am another one who strongly suggests that your brother forgets renting a car considering that you will first be going to Florence from Rome and than Venice from Florence and back to Rome from Venice. The cost of the rental, cost of the gasoline, cost of parking fees (you will not be using the car in these three cities) is such a waste of money as well as frustration. And I would think after arriving in Rome after your flight from the US everyone would be a bit tired and probably have some jetlag. Consequently not driving from Rome to Florence after immediately landing in Rome would not be the safest compared to taking the train.

Do you have the English language version of the Trenitalia website for the train schedules etc.? If not here it is: http://www.trenitalia.com/en/index.html

Have a beautiful 30th birthday! And don't say ugh, the 30's are wonderful!

suze

Trains, no contest. How to convince your brother?

How about that it is more relaxing for the 3 of you to be sitting on a train, watching the world go by, sharing a bottle of wine and a picnic while you are whisked place to place, knowing you will end up in your desired destination..

vs. trying to drive in cities you have never been to before, a country where you don't speak the language, having to navigate yourself around with maps, figure out how to purchase gas, etc.

kb0728

Thanks everyone for your help! Maybe I'll print this out and give it to him as part of my argument.

But, you know, if *1* thing goes wrong on the train (miss a connection, ticket doesn't print, get on the wrong train, etc.) he'll never let me forget it! LOL!

StCirq

WAY, WAY more things will go wrong if you drive. Trust me.

Sassafrass

Things can also go wrong when you drive: two hours in a traffic jam near Naples and another two in a traffic jam near Florence, both on the same trip when we traveled with someone else, taught us. Now, we rent only when the trip is mostly outside cities. For your trip, heed the advice of others on this board and take the train. Even with the train, you have lots of flexibility. If you don't purchase tickets too far ahead, you can always leave earlier or stay later, even a day sooner, or stay a day longer.

If you could fly into Venice, then train to Florence and on to Rome, you might save a little time and train fare, perhaps.

Jabez gave good advice on not trying to cram in too much. Sometimes you see more by being in one place and watching things and people go by than you do racing around yourself from place to place trying to see things. If you plan on just Venice, Florence, Rome, and feel, when you are there, you want more, you can always add a quick day trip from any of the cities. Listen to StCirq and see Ostia Antica rather than Pompeii this trip.

I don't think I have any sweaters older than you, but my kids are. Thirty is just the beginning of living. I graduated college at 36, started a teaching career at 46, etc. My best friend and my daughter both got married for the first time in their 40s. Enjoy your Birthday & Italy.

yorkshire

I'm wondering why you want to travel with your brother--haha, but seriously, it's just taking a few trains--and with the internet you can walk through every step in advance with helpful fodorites.
and happy bday, 30s rule!

caroltis

I want to "pile on" and ditto that first of all I believe you are trying to do too much. Trying to drive into Rome and Florence can be a nightmare straight out of the movie European Vacation. My husband and I did that ONCE...subsequent visits we have used the train for Venice, Florence, Rome.
If you were only doing Tuscan hilltowns - then I would strongly encourage your renting a car but to see these major cities - absolutely not! And I would suggest 2 days in Venice, 3 days Florence and 3 days Rome.

tuscanlifeedit

kb: you're taking him. No car.

It is absolutely ridiculous. There will be tiny glitches with any form of transportation. But people here can talk you through it and we have all used trains in Italy.

If it is flexibility you want, between the major cities in Italy, there are several trains a day. Every day.

As mentioned above: Florence doesn't allow cars in certain areas, and fines are heavy.

Rome is impossible to drive in. Venice is on the water!

Rental cars in Italy are very expensive these days. And the gas!

But it is really silly to take a Big 3 trip and have a car.