Diana_CA

Hello everyone,
We are planning to travel to Europe at the beginning of September for 2 weeks. This is gonna be our first time to these countries. Below is the itinerary we are thinking about:

London 2 days
Paris 3 days
Monaco/Nice/St.Tropez 2 days
Italy 7 days

My concern is that's too many destinations for 2 weeks.
We are also not sure what makes the most sense for our stop #3: Monaco, Nice or St.Tropez.

I have just started the research and would really appreciate any suggestions.

Also what's the best way to get from one country to another? I have heard trains is a very popular way of transportation or may be it's better to take a plane for the sake of cutting the travel time since we only have 2 weeks?
We are open to any suggestions.
Thank you very much,
Diana

janisj

Welcome to Fodors Diana. Just a couple of comments now.

1) you need to decide which types of things you want to see and do. Your preliminary plan covers too much in too little time.

2) You will basically see almost nothing of London. Day 1 will probably be a jet lagged fog and day 2 you will be packing to move on to Paris. I'd Drop London unless you can give it at least 4 days - 5 or 6 is better.

3) same for Paris - 4 days minimum because you spend part of 1 day getting there.

4) 7 days in Italy entirely depends on which parts of italy you want to see. 4 days Rome, and 3 days divided between Florence and Venice or 3 days Rome and 2 days in each of Florence/Venice would be a couple of options

margyb

Are you including your travel days in the 14 days or is that 14 days "on the ground"?

I agree with Janis that London should be dropped if you want to keep the other items listed on the itinerary. I'd go to just two locations....maybe London and Paris, or Paris and Rome. If Italy is included, definately choose an open jaw ticket to save a day of travel time and the expense.

Margy

annhig

Hi diana,

i agree I'm afraid that you are spreading yourselves too thin, which will lad to big frustations when you are on your holiday, as you wil spend far too long travelling, as oposed to actually seeing/doing.

what do you REALLY want to see - London and the UK? - start in London and branch out from there.

Paris and the south of france? - spread your time between the two, using the TGV to travel speeedily from Paris to the south.

Italy - take your pick of a max of 3 places and fly into one, out of the other ["oen jaw"].

you have the huge advantage of visiting europe at one of the best times of year, so far as the weather is concerned. even the UK should have nice weather then, though the south of France and Italy may still be quite hot.

if you MUST try to see all three, this is what I would do :

fly into London, and stay 4 nights, to recover fom jetlag in an english speaking area.

get the eurostar to Paris [very quick from st. Pancras] and stay 4 nights.

get the TGV to Nice - stay 3 nights.

fly to Venice - stay 3 nights.

not long enough in any of them, IMO but it would give you a taste.

have a great trip,

regards, ann

mnss

I would cancel the third stop and allocate those extra two days to London. Alternatively, you could skip London all together, and add those two days to Paris, then proceed to Nice from there then on to Italy. Though I honestly think that a first trip to Europe should definitely include London and Paris.

Janisīs Italy itinerary of 3-2-2 sounds good.

ira

Hi D,

Welcome to the group.

You have at least 3 too few days in London and at least 2 few days in Paris.

You can fly through Italy in a week, but you won't remember much.

May I suggest that this visit you split your 2 weeks between London and Paris (fly into one and out the other) with a daytrip from each?

violetduck

If you really enjoy big cities,I would also suggest London and Paris for the two weeks. The time in Italy would be very nice or Italy and southern France should work. If Italy is not a must see this time you could go to Paris and work your way down to southern France and easily fill your two weeks. You could alternate some cities and smaller towns. We love the trains, but that is also a personal choice. You really have a lot of decisions to make to plan a trip so soon. I am sure you will get lots of help so just ask lots of questions.
Hope this wasn't more confusing than helpful.

Ivy

many many moons ago, my first trip to europe was three weeks - one week in london, one week in paris and one week in rome. If I had it to do over again, I would have picked one or two countries and gotten out of the big cities after seeing what they had to offer. The country-side is so much more picturesque and relaxing. If I were you, and had two weeks, I would do 4 days in london, then head out into england and see the cotswalds or startford upon avon or bath etc. . . for 4 days. then you can go from london to paris on the train and do paris for 4 days and into the french country side to finish up. There is so much to see - save italy for another trip.

LotsaPasta

Hi Diana,

I agree with others who say to save London for another trip.

I do think the rest is reasonable, though. Sometimes you want to see all you can! We all don't travel the same way...

Me, I'd pick St. Tropez over Monaco and Nice.

Check into the overnight trains...they're a great way to cover a lot of ground without "Wasting" travel time in between.

lvs

Hi Diana,

I guess I have to ditto the other responses. I know it is tempting to try and fit a lot in on a first trip to Europe, but it is frenetic to do that and you will waste a lot of time traveling to different countries. You should plan on this being yout first of many trips!

When my husband and I travel we like to limit our travels to one region of one country to really get an appreciation of it. That way you can spend time in a city or 2 and also get to enjoy the countryside and the regional cuisines, arts & crafts and ofcourse the people.

So as others have suggested, select one of your 3 country choices and plan a trip using the main city as a starting point. For London it could be the Cotswalds, Stonehenge and Bath. For Paris it could be the beautuful Loire Valley or heading doen to the French Riviera. For Italy, between Rome, Florence and Venice you could easily spend 2 weeks and hardly see evrything!

Linda

janisj

I wouldn't skip London -- I'd just add more days there.

But it really is hard to make suggestions w/o more input from Diana_CA re what sorts of things they want to see/do.

&quot;<i>Also what's the best way to get from one country to another? I have heard trains is a very popular way of transportation or may be it's better to take a plane for the sake of cutting the travel time since we only have 2 weeks? </i>&quot;

It entirely depends on the destination(s). very often a train is faster city center to city center since you don't have to travel to a remote airport or check in ahead of time. On other routes, flying is cheaper/faster.

finngirl56

Hi Diana,

Re: your stop on the French Riviera.

My husband and I spent six days in Nice a few years ago, and took the train to Monaco and back one day, and the bus to Cannes another day (the bus was slow, so we rode the train back to Nice). We didn't make it to St.Tropez, but would have taken the train if we did.

The trains are very inexpensive, fairly fast, and easy to navigate.

I'd definitely go to Monaco for a day, it's very small and easily walkable. Built on a slope, the train station being at the very top, so you can see far as you leave the station. Definitely see the Royal Palace and the guard ceremony, there's also a small gift shop there for souvenirs. We even saw Prince Rainier arrive in a small black car, driven by his chauffeur. He was only about five feet away from us (a highlight of our trip).

Nice is beautiful with its Promenade by the ocean, Old Town, and many small shops and interesting cemeteries. Also there's an outdoor market Cours de Saleya (?) where you can buy fresh fruit and flowers, pastries and other delicacies. I believe Mondays it's all antiques.

Enjoy!

Benita

Dayle

Hi Diana,

I agree you are spreading yourselves too thin! Either spend your 2 weeks all in 1 country OR pick 2 major cities.

You choose. Buon viaggio!

dickensdad

I would limit your trip to one country. Our last three trips to Europe have been to Italy, and we finally feel like we are ready to tackle some other country. Trying to see three different countries would be hectic and costly. In addition, it would be stressful to try to adjust to all those different languages and cultures.

Diana_CA

Thank you guys so much for your suggestions!
We have talked and decided to skip London this time and start in
Paris-4 days
St.Tropez or Monaco (still not sure)-3 days
Italy: Venice, Lake Como and Rome-1 week

We are planning to spend 14 days on the ground traveling from US and back is extra.

I do understand that it's hard to really understand what a country is about in just a few days but we just wanna get the feel of it. We are flying 1st class and very much used to traveling over long distances. So I don't think we are gonna be really tired and jet-legged upon arrival.

We were looking at the train vs plane option and it seems as business class for trains isn't as cheap as I thought it to be. But i may be wrong. THere's so much information; I have been reading up and it's still a bit confusing.

In these 14 days of coarse we wanna hit the main tourist attractions but also try to spend some time relaxing. I would assume Lake Como in Italy might be good for that, as well as beaches of St. Tropez?

Again, thank you all for your comments and suggestions.

Diana_CA

I was wondering if you guys can suggest based on our itinerary if it is better to go to St.Tropez, Monaco or Nice? I'd like for someone who has been to all of them to express their opinion. Which one is the easiest/hardest to get to from Paris (business class train vs plane) and then what's the best way to get to Italy from there? Thank you very much. You all have been very helpful!
Diana

parisnow

I agree. Way too many destinations for two weeks. Remember you loose a day just flying to Europe. I would pick 3 or 4 places to go. Each day that you move from one city to the next consider it a travel day. Packing; transportation to from airport/train station; transportation to new hotel; checking into hotel; getting the point?

If this will be your only trip to Europe, I would say London/Paris/Rome.
If you think you will be going to Europe again than I would save Italy for a trip by itself (so much to see there).

I just got back from France. Ten day trip. Four nights Bordeaux and five nights Paris. Still did not do everything I wanted and at times felt rushed. And I have lost count at how many times I've been to France.
Decide what your main interest are. Art and museums than try Paris/Florence combo. If more Scenic than Nice/Venice combo with 1/2 day side trip to Monaco ect.

Research..Prioritize...and group. Make list of what you want to see and cut in 1/2 because realistically that is what you will accomplish. This way you will have more realistic expectations.

Dayle

Hi again Diana,

Honestly your new itinerary is not really an improvement. Venice, Lake Como AND Rome in a week. No, no, no. Choose Rome OR Venice and Como.

Personally, I liked St. Tropez. I was there in early Oct and it was perfect. Not crowded, nice temps. I understand summer traffic to/from the peninsula is a nightmare. Don't know about Sept. Probably still quite busy. If I couldn't easily do day trips from St. Tropez, I think 2 nts there would be enough. If you could do a day trip, 3 would be nice.

Everyone I know who has been to Monaco didn't care for it at all. There was a big debate post here about it. Do a search putting in &quot;Monaco&quot;, it will help your decision.

Remember, you will loose at least a 1/2 day traveling down to the Riviera. You would loose another day traveling to Italy and yet another 1/2 day between Rome and Venice.

What you have left is not worth the $$$$ you will spend traveling between destinations.

violetduck

Diana, I agree with Dayle, still too much and distances between places too far. I assume you are flying into Paris and out of where? I don't know how other people plan, but we usually use our ff miles so I have an idea of what areas I would like and get two cities I can work with, one to fly in and another to fly out and plan the trip in the between area and always stay at least 3 and sometimes more nights in each place. You are looking at many, many hours on the train to do your itinerary with change of trains 2 or 3 times per journey on some of them. You will get a good itinerary, just keep working on it.

Diana_CA

Thank you guys for your help. I have a question how difficult it is to get around if you don't speak the language?