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thereyet Dec 17th, 2008 11:08 PM

Favorite London spot for roast beef and Yorkshire pudding?
 
Missed doing this last time because the one place I saw frankly...looked dodgy. Staying in South Kensington but would tube if highly recommended.

thereyet

ira Dec 18th, 2008 02:51 AM

Hi ty,

I think that the absolutely best place for that kind of old-fashioned fare is Simpson's-in-the-Strand.

Shelrock Holmes and Dr. Watson were fairly regular customers.

((I))

flanneruk Dec 18th, 2008 03:29 AM

There's a limit to how much damage even the crappiest carvery (and nowhere on earth can outcrap a London carvery when it's got its mind on it), staffed by homicidal Serbians, can do to a standing joint. But they make up for it by nuking the veg and doing things to the Yorkshire not even a Lancastrian would contemplate. As for the stuff they serve in pubs: even the dinner ladies at my school would have blushed to poison us quite so inhumanely.

The most reliable place for roast 'n' Yorkshire is a culinarily literate British home. Failing that, Ira's is a goodish suggestion. Simpson's is a bit iffy for many things: but they take the selection of beef, its treatment before cooking, its roasting and carving and its accompaniments very seriously indeed. Worth going online and seeing if you can go on a day they're doing carving courses.

And ignore people who say they didn't like its fish, or its filet mignon. Eating beef fried or grilled is a woofy foreign fad, and you surely wouldn't expect a proper restaurant to worry about making girls' food properly?


tod Dec 18th, 2008 05:32 AM

We had an awesome roast beef & Yorky pud at RULES, Maiden Lane, near Covent Garden.
They also serve game in season.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 18th, 2008 05:42 AM

We had an awesome roast beef & Yorky pud at RULES, Maiden Lane>>>

Must. Resist. Temptation. To "get started".

thereyet Dec 18th, 2008 06:31 AM

Awe come on CW, "get started". :D

thereyet

thereyet Dec 18th, 2008 06:54 AM

Hi ira,

Simpson's on the Strand looks something like what I had in mind.

Are there any others? Neighborhood favorites?

thereyet

GreenDragon Dec 18th, 2008 09:02 AM

Perhaps you should ask Dr. Watson. I think I have his email somewhere here...

ElendilPickle Dec 18th, 2008 11:51 AM

>>Must. Resist. Temptation. To "get started".<<

::::tapping foot:::: We're waiting...

Lee Ann

Underhill Dec 18th, 2008 02:10 PM

We liked both Simpson's (don't forget to tip the carver) and the Carveries, where we once saw a pair of ladies from a country that shall be nameless treat their Yorkshire puddings as muffins.

thereyet Dec 18th, 2008 02:22 PM

You mean they picked them up and ate them? Don't they know any better? :)

thereyet

Cries_Van_Notebook Dec 18th, 2008 02:29 PM

I always eat my Yorkshire pudding like a muffin. I even put butter on it. Are you making fun of me?

I had a very memorable RB and Yorkshire pudding at the Connaught Hotel on Dec. 27, 1999. (A few days later we drove up to Edinburgh for Hogmanay.) Oh, was that good. I had foie gras on a bed of lettuce and tomatoes as a starter, then bread and butter pudding for dessert. I think we drank Calon Segur 1989.

There was a family from Alaska sitting across from us--a family of seven--wearing Eskimo coats. I wish I had taken a photo because I have a feeling they were the Palins. :)

Thin

thereyet Dec 18th, 2008 03:09 PM

I always eat mine with knife and fork, never putting the knife down. I guess that is because you never know when you are going to need a knife...since everyone else is holding one. :)

thereyet

travelme Dec 18th, 2008 03:55 PM

There was a family from Alaska sitting across from us--a family of seven--wearing Eskimo coats. I wish I had taken a photo because I have a feeling they were the Palins.

I am rolling on thr floor!

Virgogirl Dec 18th, 2008 09:07 PM

So, did Sarah still have the Neiman-Marcus tag dangling from her coat, ha-ha?

taggie Dec 18th, 2008 09:26 PM

Couldn't have been Sarah and family... she only recently got a passport.
Guess those cold nights in Alaska result in lots of larger families...

ira Dec 19th, 2008 04:41 AM

Hi ty,

Should you go to Simpson's, spend a little time upstairs in the Knight's Bar before you go in to dinner in the Divan Room.

Do as Holmes and Watson did in 1902.

"... I met him by appointment that evening at Simpson's, where, sitting at a small table in the front window, and looking down at the rushing stream of life in the Strand,....."

It's interesting that the Knight's Bar walls are covered with photos of famous people of that era, but no pix of SH or JW.

((I))

GreenDragon Dec 19th, 2008 04:57 AM

That is very odd, isn't it ira? You would think such a famous pair of... characters... would warrant some proof of their custom :)

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 19th, 2008 08:37 AM

Have. Resisted. Temptation. To "get started".

Seriously, as a "one off" experience you will not beat Simpsons.

The trolley at the Savoy is good too (spendy though).

Here's review from a couple of weeks ago which makes it clear that they are still knocking out the food, but maybe need to raise their game elsewhere:

http://www.timeout.com/london/restau...iews/1163.html

ps the average Londoner will eat at Simpsons once in their life. That tells you what you need to know. It's a sort of Tea at The Ritz/Santa at Selfridges type experience.

Having said that - their breakfasts are fabulous after a night shift.

tod Dec 19th, 2008 08:43 AM

Thank you Mr. C Warner for another Simpsons recommendation - we will go there instead of Rules this time!
I liked the decore at Rules though..............! Maybe I'm just a Maggie Thatcher etc. etc. fan!

annhig Dec 19th, 2008 09:27 AM

hi thereyet,

should you wish to venture further afield, i had an excellent roast beef sunday lunch at the "Royal Oak" pub in staffhurst wood, near Oxted in Surrey, just 2 sundays ago. [yep ,they let me out of Cornwall without my passport].

getting there might be a tad tricky though - train to Oxted from Victoria, then either taxi or walk about 7 miles through lovely countryside - you'd need your lunch after that.

it would make a great day trip on a sunny day.

hope you're having a terrific trip,

regards, ann

PS - you can cure any cricket withdrawal symptoms by tuning into Sky Sports, or Radio 5 live extra every morning, to watch/listen to England v India [in india, it's a bit chilly for cricket in the UK in December]

PPS <<the average Londoner will eat at Simpsons once in their life.>>

i worked in london for nearly 18 years. I never ate there. do go so you can tell me what it was like!

Fra_Diavolo Dec 19th, 2008 09:35 AM

"That is very odd, isn't it ira? You would think such a famous pair of... characters... would warrant some proof of their custom"

At one time there was a plaque on the wall at the Criterion Bar (Piccadilly) commemorating the meeting "near this spot" between "John H. Watson, MD and Stamford, dresser at Bart's, who introduced him to Sherlock Holmes and immortality . . ." or something like, placed by the Baker Street Irregulars.

Haven't been back since the big renovation a decade or two ago, so don't know if it survives.

Cries_Van_Notebook Dec 19th, 2008 09:45 AM

If I remember correctly, as one woman turned the corner to come into the dining room at the Connaught I thought she was wearing a sable. It then dawned on me that, no, it was one of the those fur coats that Eskimos wear complete with embroidery around the cuffs and hood. Then the rest of the party filed in and I could see that they were all wearing these coats.

Well, sweetie darling, if you have ever been to the Connaught you know that as soon as you sit down at table, 17 waiters appear and surround you. The waiters tried to take the coats from these people but they would not give them up. They threw them over the backs of the chairs!!

"We Alaskans always keep our coats nearby," one white-bearded man explained, "because we never know when we are going to have to leave in a hurry."

Well, thank you very much for the explanation, guv.

They did have some class, however, as they ordered a few bottles of the absolute best Champagne on the menu---Krug 1963.

Thin

DenverKyle Dec 21st, 2014 05:44 PM

Is Simpson's still what was written way back when?

RIP Cholmondley. You are missed.

latedaytraveler Dec 21st, 2014 06:06 PM

Hi IRA,

"... I met him by appointment that evening at Simpson's, where, sitting at a small table in the front window, and looking down at the rushing stream of life in the Strand,....."

Which story please? Love Sherlock Holmes....

Rubicund Dec 22nd, 2014 02:20 AM

It's the "The Adventure of the Illustrious Client" short story, written in 1924.

Lovely to see C_W in a thread, gone but never forgotten.

Ackislander Dec 22nd, 2014 02:50 AM

Is Simpsons the same . . .

Well, when this exchange began in 2008, it sounds as if it was unchanged since my late father dined there in '43 and '44. I wish I had asked him how he managed the ration cards.

And CW us missed!

latedaytraveler Dec 22nd, 2014 05:14 AM

Hi RUBRICUND,

"It's the "The Adventure of the Illustrious Client" short story, written in 1924."

Thank you - not familiar with that particular story. My favorite Holmes iteration is the Jeremy Brett series done decades ago...

NeoPatrick Dec 22nd, 2014 05:32 AM

I've had traditional fare at Simpsons twice and at Rules, perhaps 7 or 8 times. I would take Rules hands down every time for the full experience. Just call it personal choice if you want.

janisj Dec 22nd, 2014 07:29 AM

For uber traditional I also prefer Rules. Though I wouldn't turn down being treated to Simpson's.

TDudette Dec 22nd, 2014 11:13 AM

For what it's worth here's from my April 2014 TR:

Simpsons in the Strand: Roast of Rib of Scottish Beef--£31 was accompanied with a nice olive bread, roasted potatoes, a huge Yorkshire pudding and a small copper pot with meh “savory” cabbage.

I had the same dinner at my hotel Strand Palace for less and it was as tasty. The ambience at Simpson's was spectacular. I haven't been to Rules, Neo. A good reason to return, eh?

RIP C_W.

PatrickLondon Dec 22nd, 2014 11:35 AM

>> I wish I had asked him how he managed the ration cards.<<

If I remember the history books correctly, there weren't ration cards for restaurants, they just weren't allowed to charge more than 5s. for a meal (more or less $1 at the then exchange rate). This was the time when a lunch menu at the Strand Palace read:

"(a) Ballotine de Jambon Valentinoise
(b) Assiette Froide et Salade
<I>Authorized translation by the management:</i>
(a) Hot Spam
(b) Cold Spam".

annhig Dec 22nd, 2014 12:22 PM

as well as the late lamented CW, another lost friend here is the OP, thereyet, who has left us but for different reasons [which I have now forgotten!]

to absent friends.

Patrick - was that the origin of Monty Python's spam sketch?

PatrickLondon Dec 22nd, 2014 11:53 PM

Possibly - I found it in a Penguin compilation of the news clippings sent in to the New Statesman's This England column, which provides some pretty jaw-dropping evidences of past attitudes and peculiarities. But in their case, I think school dinners take the major credit. There's a distinct air of the end-of-term skit about that sketch (in my school, the line was "All good food! Derby winner 1947!"

annhig Dec 23rd, 2014 08:27 AM

There's a distinct air of the end-of-term skit about that sketch (in my school, the line was "All good food! Derby winner 1947!">>

I know that you mean - we had one dish that we called "elephant hide" [pig's liver and bacon if we were lucky] there was the obvious frogspawn, [tapioca] and deep fried spam in batter. And I developed a life-long and waist-line threatening love of steamed puds.

ira Dec 23rd, 2014 08:30 AM

HI All, (Sherlockians, Holmesians and non)

In addition to ILLU, Holmes has this to say in "The Dying Detective" (DYIN)
"When we have finished at the police-station I think that something nutritious at Simpson's would not be out of place".

I think that today one goes to Simpson's for the atmosphere.

I suggest the Knight's bar for "looking down at the rushing stream of life in the Strand".

((I))

NeoPatrick Dec 23rd, 2014 08:34 AM

Ummm. These comments from Sherlock Holmes are interesting, but we do realize that he was a fictional character, right?

janisj Dec 23rd, 2014 08:59 AM

annhig: I <i>think</i> thereyet is still on Fodors w/ a different screen name.

There have been several comments to that effect over the last several months.

PatrickLondon Dec 23rd, 2014 09:01 AM

>>These comments from Sherlock Holmes are interesting, but we do realize that he was a fictional character, right?<<

Say it ain't so, Joe!

annhig Dec 23rd, 2014 11:10 AM

>>These comments from Sherlock Holmes are interesting, but we do realize that he was a fictional character, right?<<

I'm sure that I've heard the Hound of the Baskervilles as I've crossed Dartmoor.


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