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European Travel Plans.. Please LOOK OVER!

Jan 9th, 2004, 01:06 PM
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Please excuse my last comments. They were unfair and uncalled for.

I just got back from the dentist for my first ever root canal and the medication wore off in heavy traffic. Then I came in the house to find the dog had chewed up an expensive pair of shoes.

That is not really a good excuse, but it does explain my state of mind & nerves.

I hope you enjoy your trip.
Jan 9th, 2004, 01:13 PM
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I think you have to be realistic, you also have to factor in all the travel time, and packing/unpacking, settling in, etc. People here may be a bit sarcastic but I don't think they mean to be insulting, they just are giving you constructive criticism. You asked for advice and they are giving it. I have to agree with the general premise that you are trying to cover far too much. You can spend a week in Rome or Paris alone and barely scratch the surface. Look on a map, inquire here and check schedules about travel times between places (by train, or plane), and rethink your plans. If this is your first trip to Europe, and I'm assuming you're a fairly young person, you'll be back. Take your time and enjoy the scenery. Don't plow through 6 cities in 12 days. There are some extremely experienced travellers here. Many of the contributors to this board are a wealth of knowledge and experience that is hard to find anywhere else without extensive research. So slow down and start some serious palnning. It's half the fun.
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Jan 9th, 2004, 01:22 PM
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I think the most basic flaw in your original post is that you say "2 days and 2 nights in the following". That simply isn't possible. Two nights in each of these places means you really only have one day in each. The other day is spent getting between one city and another. That happens five or six times so it means you really only have six or seven days not 12 as you suggest.

And I can't think of a polite way to say this, but "Florence to Rome with a 1/2 day stop in Venice". Have you looked at a map of Italy?
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Jan 9th, 2004, 01:32 PM
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I thought of saying the same others did, but then, I realized Eric was leaving in 4 days. So, what for? He wouldn't have the time to change his trip plans as much as we think he should.

However, Eric, next time, ask for advise before making and booking such a non sense trip/itinerary, or don't ask at all, if you think you know what you're doing...
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Jan 9th, 2004, 01:38 PM
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The florence/rome/italy comment may have been a bit difficult to understand.. Let me See if this helps...

ORIGINALLY from nice we were taking a night train to venice, then from venice going to florence. And then lastly, from florence to Rome... The stop in paris is simply a transfer area and was not intended to be part of our vacation. Hope that clears that up!

Since i will be cutting Nice out of the vacation my train schedule will also be changed ... Thanks so much

Also i wish the travel agent who helped me plan this was half as knowledgable as all of you guys! i think that would have been the solution to this!
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Jan 9th, 2004, 01:39 PM
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Jan 9th, 2004, 01:47 PM
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Cutting out Nice is a wise move. Something had to go (as hard as it may be to elimnate)! I'm assuming, you'll be returning to LAX from Rome, correct? If you aren't art lovers, I'd consider staying in Venice and skipping FLorence altogether. Venice is a very special place and a great palce to unwind from all that trevelling. And if only you could squeeze another day in Rome....

Enjoy the trip and let us know how it goes and next time forget the travel agent, unless they've done a similar trip and are familiar with the areas, they aren't all that useful.
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Jan 9th, 2004, 01:50 PM
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Hi, airo2x!

As usual, I'm not in tune with the majority! When I read your post I thought what a wonderful time you will be having!

Nevertheless, the common sense part of the other posts should not be ignored.
Don't try to do too much is basically what most posters want to say to you. However, I would suggest that you travel AT NIGHT by train. Get a sleeper and sleep your way, e.g. Paris to Rome. That means two days and ONE night in Paris. You still have time to redo your itinerary in such a way as to be able to spend nights on the train travelling from destination to destination.

Another way is to fly - Easyjet, Ryanair, etc. between points.

Cutting out Nice is fine, altho one of my fondest memories was Nice in winter, without all the tourists.

At your age, I would have done exactly what you are doing! Only I wouldn't have been as smart as to ask for advice on Fodors! Take some of the advice to heart, plan sensibly with time and energy saving thoughts, and - above all - have fun! It's great that you will be travelling! Such a wonderful way to expand your horizons!
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Jan 9th, 2004, 02:21 PM
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I think your trip sounds very full (perhaps too full for me) but those are great cities so have fun!!!

Here are my thoughts: for each city, it seems like you will have about one and a half days (I'm figuring about half a day of travel and checking into hotels.) Therefore, I would choose one or two major things to see in each place and then just enjoy. You don't want to pack too much in or you won't be able to enjoy it. And you need to leave ample time for sitting in cafes, walking down streets, and just soaking it all up.

I've never been to Nice, so I can't speak to it, but as for the other cities, the must sees are well written about. You just need to figure out which ones would be your favorite couple for this trip - don't base it on the masses - if you like art, see lots of art, but if you don't, focus on something else and leave great art for another trip.

For example, if I were going to Florence for one and a half days, I would probably go to the Accademia and the Uffizi. In Rome, I would see the colliseum, the Sistine Chapel, and St. Peters. In Paris, the Saint Chappelle and the D'Orsay.

Obviously, your choices could be very different, but you get the general idea.

Personally, I would skip Venice because it's in the wrong direction and there really isn't enough time without cutting into other stops.

I think your trip will be fantastic! You may be very tired at the end of this trip, but I think you will be happy!

Best wishes and let us know how it goes!
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Jan 9th, 2004, 02:34 PM
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I still think you should skip Zurich. If you want a Swiss city that will seem more like what you think about when you think Switzerland, pick Bern or Luzern (my pick would be Luzern because it is in a mountainous region).
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Jan 9th, 2004, 07:27 PM
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It's a total waste of time and money to go to Venice for just 1 day, let alone 1/2 day. If that's all the time you can spare, save Venice for your next trip.
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Jan 9th, 2004, 11:24 PM
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Here is an UPDATE:
Nice was cut out and the two days were added to Paris...
Also Venice will be skipped like i said that wasnt originally even part of our trip but simply a stopping point to change trains...

Now its Looking like this

Im not a HUGE ART LOVER however i HAVE TO GO TO FLORENCE cuz my best friend from high school isliving there and i cant go to europe without visiting her! It just wouldnt be right.. THats where florence came in.. trust me i would have much rather gone to Venice...

Its too late to change the Swiss Location, but there is always next time.. Im glad to see this batch of responses were friendly As well as extremely helpful ill be sure to let u all know about the trip thanks again.. Next time i go to europe ill be sure to catch Venice!!!
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Jan 10th, 2004, 07:51 AM
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Well, I prefer Venice over Florence, but I don't think you should ever be unhappy about going to Florence. I would love to be that unhappy right now. You will enjoy it for sure, and you can do Venice on another trip. If you have time in Zurich to take daytrips, it really isn't very far to go to some of the other places named by people here. Some train stations, for example Bern, also have luggage lockers where you can leave your bags while you explore the city. In other words, it is possible to maintain some flexibility at this point. Have a great trip, and let us know how it went.
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Jan 10th, 2004, 09:25 AM
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Hi airo,


...i HAVE TO GO TO FLORENCE ....Its too late to change the Swiss Location,..<

Can you give us the full itinerary? Flying into where and out of where? How many days/nights in each city. Perhaps we can help you get more out of your trip.

There is more to Florence than just some of the world's greatest art.
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Jan 10th, 2004, 09:59 AM
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Bon Voyage!

Great beefsteak in Florence if you get tired of all the art!
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Jan 10th, 2004, 12:03 PM
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here is my full itinerary that you requested:

Jan 13 flying out of LA to Europe
Jan 14 AM arriving at Frankfurt GER to switch Planes To get to Paris
Jan 14 @ 1pm arrive in Paris
Jan 15-18 Paris
Jan18 pm- Night train to Florence
jan 18 am- arrive in Florence
Jan 19 Florence
Jan 20 after noon- leave for rome
Jan 20 pm Rome
Jan 21 Rome
Jan 22 Rome in AM and leave for SWISS in mid after noon
Jan 22 PM arrive in SWISS
Jan 23 SWISS
Jan 24 SWISS
Jan 25 Day Swiss
Jan 25 Mid after noon leave for paris
Jan 25 PM arrive in Train Station in paris at 10pm
Jan 26 EARLY MORNING Arrive at CDG AIR and fly back to LA

Hope that answers any questions =)
I have never been on a plane that changes to a different plane.. all the ones ive been on have been non stop.. When i get to GER do i have to get my luggage and recheck it or does it automatically go on the new plane?? Thanks a lot !!! i will definately let u all know about the trip.. and thanks for the advice about day trips in SWISS... thanks all Eric
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Jan 10th, 2004, 12:09 PM
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Without preaching, and as others have both kindly and not so kindly said, the thing in planning a 1st European trip itinerary that is often overlooked is the logistics, and amount of energy, money, and time spent each time you change locations.

On EACH travel day, you have to check out of your hotel, taxi/bus/walk to the train station or airport, make the journey (depending how far let's estimate 1 to 5 hours travel time "lost" here), taxi/bus/walk from that train station or airport to your new hotel, check in (or leave your luggage if the room is not yet available). Often those "travel days" are pretty much shot, especially if anything goes wrong with your intended arrangements.

So to airo2x, have a great time, and you'll see for yourself (or not) the wisdom and insights frequent travelers have tried to pass on to you here.
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Jan 10th, 2004, 12:14 PM
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Oops airo2x, we were posting at the same time...

What part of Switzerland are you looking for day trips in? (I'm familiar with the Geneva area)

Ask your airlines the question about luggage checking straight thru. I assume you'd be able to do this (as I often have), but without knowing the exact details of your flights wouldn't want to give misinformation.
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