Europe Summer 2019

Feb 13th, 2019, 02:22 AM
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Butterfingers, there are concerts and festivals all over Europe in the summer. Even the old guys still perform. Fleetwood Mac is at Werchter in Belgium and at Pinkpop (NL) this summer. My son went to Sziget in Budapest with friends when he was 17, and absolutely loved the atmosphere there. Just imagine, in 20 or 30 years time your children will say the same thing you are saying now.
And to reassure your parents; Europe is a very safe place, actually safer than it was in the 70s and 80s if you look at crime rates. Certainly safer than the US.
You will find lots of people your age traveling around Europe in summer. Stay in hostels; best way to meet lots of people, and book these in advance so that your parents know where you are staying.

Just go for it; make a plan with an itinerary, show them that you can do this. I would have no hesitation letting my children travel with a friend at 18 (not that I could have stopped them anyway).
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Feb 13th, 2019, 02:23 AM
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Oh and do try to include Berlin; my kids loved that.
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Originally Posted by butterfingers View Post
Man I just wish there was a time machine so I can go back to the 70’-80’s. It would be the greatest thing in the world to go to either a Led Zeppelin, Queen, Fleetwood Mac, or Eric Clapton concert. My uncle has been to an ACDC concert and said it was the greatest experience in his life. Especially Europe at that time, all the disco bars and social anti-conformity. I wish there were still places like that now.
Don’t forget the 60’s and not just in Europe. I was fortunate to go to a little club in Boston called the Boston Tea Party, during my semester break in January 1969. There were two bands playing. None of us had ever heard of either one.

The club was dingy and small. It held only 400 people, in a wide but narrow hall-like interior, We were all sitting on the floor, and I was one of the few not stoned.

Before rock ’n roll moved to arenas and stadiums, places like the Boston Tea Party celebrated the psychedelic movement. MC5 once encouraged club-goers there to burn the place down and take to the streets.

The lead band was put together as a replacement for another band, and they were doing a “North American Tour”. They had other then unknown opening acts like Alice Cooper and Taj Mahal for this “tour”. That night in Boston, one of four nights there, the opening act was an American group called Raven.

This headline group only had material for one hour, so they mostly jammed, with lots of long solos including an intense solo by a drummer, so intense that he broke his drum head. The Raven drummer popped out from behind the stage to lend his drum to keep things going.

They had four full houses with a total of 1,600 people paying something like $3 a pop to listen to these groups. Besides me, Aerosmith’s Stephen Tyler claims, as a teenager, to have been one of those 1,600.

Anyway, the drummer who split his drum was the legendary late John Bonham, and the headline group in that small club was Led Zeppelin.

From the web: “For $3 or so, (besides Led Zeppelin), you could see acts like the Grateful Dead, The Byrds, Neil Young, Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, Cream, Fleetwood Mac, The Allman Brothers Band, Joe Cocker, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Dr. John, Buddy Miles, Santana, Taj Mahal, Ten Years After and Sly and the Family Stone. The Who commanded a premium of $4.50 for their Tommy concert. Unknowns Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood, later of the Rolling Stones, played as part of Jeff Beck."

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Feb 13th, 2019, 05:58 AM
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You sound very sweet Butterfingers, just the right kind of traveling companion. It's great you are considering your parents' concerns, and I bet you will be able to convince them that their baby girl can handle it. If you're going this summer, you better get to it! Have a blast and be sure to do a trip report for us.
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Feb 13th, 2019, 06:39 AM
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Denmark in July is just one long party. Surprise your parents by going somewhere they don't know
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Feb 13th, 2019, 08:10 AM
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Oh my goodness, $3 to see the great Jimi Hendrix? Wow. I would pay $300 just to hear him play All Along the watch Tower. I will definetly force my friends to go to one of these concerts if I can find one.

My Dad lived in Schwabisch-Hall from 1986-1990 and the stories he tells me makes me envy him so much. He would go to this club in the town that always played disco (mainly the Bee Gees) and mainstream rock music at the time. He was my age when he moved there, and lived in an apartment with his friends. He has also crossed, by bus, from East to West Berlin and even saw the wall fall. His most memorable experiences were the Christmas Markets. He would describe the buildings being caked in snow, lights strewn about, Carols singing German Christmas songs, and the smell of Gluhwein and Gingerbread in the air. Now imagine how tempting moving to Germany is after hearing all this.

Also I am a very nature-oriented person. I go on frequent hikes, explore caves and forests, and I even reached the summit of Mount Baldy. Seeing how green Germany is made me so happy. Especially the train rides between places like Mainz and Fichtenstein, I loved seeing the pockets of villages in between large green hills and meadows. I will definitely have to visit the either the Black Forest, Norwegian Fjords, or the Swiss/Austrian Alps. When my dad and I were in Munich, we went to the Englischer Garten and spent 2 hours riding bikes while eating sugar coated almonds. While paris was eye-opening, Munich, and the other cities in Germany, were heart-warming.

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Feb 13th, 2019, 07:48 PM
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In 1967-68, on a Thursday at the Fillmore (or Winterland) in San Francisco you could see 6 hours of music for $3. Three acts each playing two sets..from 9 pm to 3 am...AND Bill Graham (the promoter) had barrels of free apples and lollipops there...A N got the poster for next week's concert for free. Among those I saw were Cream, The Dead, Staples Singers, Jefferson Airplane, James Cotton Blues Band, and probably the best live act I ever saw, Sly and the Family Stone, who closed their 2-3 am set with a ten minute version of Try a Little Tenderness...tore the place down.

...did we get off topic?

Humor your parents...convince them...and have fun in Europe.

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Feb 13th, 2019, 09:46 PM
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If your dad lived in Germany when he was 18, how can he object to you going? It has certainly not become more dangerous since then. On the contrary.
And with mobile phones, skype, facebook they can keep in touch with you easily. You can send them a daily whatsapp to let them know where you are.
I bet your dad didn't do that when he was living in Europe.
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Feb 13th, 2019, 10:19 PM
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I wonder -- could you tell us what you learned from your similar posts last year?
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It might help us understand what you still hope to learn.
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Feb 14th, 2019, 06:10 AM
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I understand the OP went with his dad last year and now wants to go with a cousin.
To most of us the idea of parents not allowing 2 18-year olds to travel to Paris and Germany is a bit odd.
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Feb 14th, 2019, 06:49 AM
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It seems to me that quite a few children are quite experienced with telling their parents they are doing one thing while they are actually doing something else. So there is nothing preventing you from filing an official plan with your parents and then doing what you really want to do instead. Obviously (and perhaps unfortunately) there are mobile phones now to keep in touch constantly. Back in my day when I started solo travel at age 17, I didn't have that complication. Then again, I also had full support from my parents (if only they knew!).

If all else fails, just point out to your parents that you will be much safer in Europe than in your own country.
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Feb 14th, 2019, 07:44 AM
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*Update* I had another talk with my parents and they agreed to let me go on the trip! Im so excited I gave them a basic Itinerary for now telling them about the main places like Paris, Amsterdam, Munich, and Vienna. But of course I will visit many more places!! Thank you all for the help.
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Feb 14th, 2019, 08:00 AM
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That's great. Seeing that you are interested in music, have a look at the festival calender if there is anything you want to see. You can plan your trip around that, if you can get tickets.
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Feb 14th, 2019, 08:39 AM
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I am glad to hear that you had another talk. Having that dialogue sure helps in maintaining a good relationship for all of you. You may not fully realize it now, but having that is something you will cherish as you get older. Have fun planning your trip!
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Feb 15th, 2019, 12:35 AM
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well done, good luck
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Feb 15th, 2019, 04:38 PM
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Hopefully when I come back from the trip, I will have the craziest trip report.
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Feb 16th, 2019, 06:58 PM
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Maybe don’t use the word ‘crazy’ when talking to your parents

Have a fun trip.
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Feb 18th, 2019, 11:53 AM
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Hi Butterfingers,
Your willingness to seek out a wide variety of input here demonstrates that you value good decision-making. That quality will serve you well on all your future travels, not to mention regular everyday/workday matters. I embarked on my first trip at age 19, so I admire your pluck.
There is a brand-new taxi service that has opened in Paris, with a branch in Berlin. The link is below.
All the best!
I am done. The end.
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Feb 18th, 2019, 12:34 PM
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Now you can surf in Englischer Gardens!

And the Chinese Pagoda beer garden in the park is neat too:
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Feb 20th, 2019, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PalenQ View Post
Now you can surf in Englischer Gardens
And the Chinese Pagoda beer garden in the park is neat too:

Stop You are getting me too excited! I don’t know how I am suppose to wait another 4 months for this trip.
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