Europe just isn't what it used to be.
Jun 28th, 2002, 02:21 PM
#82
Guest
Posts: n/a
Right on, Anon.
Sam, EH???
Alwasy [eh?] the refuge of the loser is to complain about the tactics of the other person. Often when losing others that cannot refute the ideas resort to calling someone a racist, or a redneck or assoted [ sic ] other names.
You have not resorted to that. Instead you throw blanket accusatons [sic] couchedd in such nice terms. You sir or madam are much worse that I.
Bill: Those indeed were the halcyon days. My early memories slightly post-date yours, yet I concur that's why "we will always have Paris".
Loved the "preserved in aspic" comment.
Sam, EH???
Alwasy [eh?] the refuge of the loser is to complain about the tactics of the other person. Often when losing others that cannot refute the ideas resort to calling someone a racist, or a redneck or assoted [ sic ] other names.
You have not resorted to that. Instead you throw blanket accusatons [sic] couchedd in such nice terms. You sir or madam are much worse that I.
Bill: Those indeed were the halcyon days. My early memories slightly post-date yours, yet I concur that's why "we will always have Paris".
Loved the "preserved in aspic" comment.
Jun 28th, 2002, 06:33 PM
#87
Guest
Posts: n/a
Libertarian are we...
Sam, there's hope for you yet.
http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=591
The Pledge of Allegiance should not be required in government-run schools, Libertarians say, because a nation in which a government can coerce religion or patriotism is no longer free.
"America is made great by its freedom, not by a flag," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party executive director. "Our children should have the freedom to pledge or not to pledge, and the freedom to worship or not to worship."
Sam, there's hope for you yet.
http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=591
The Pledge of Allegiance should not be required in government-run schools, Libertarians say, because a nation in which a government can coerce religion or patriotism is no longer free.
"America is made great by its freedom, not by a flag," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party executive director. "Our children should have the freedom to pledge or not to pledge, and the freedom to worship or not to worship."
Jun 28th, 2002, 06:42 PM
#88
Guest
Posts: n/a
This one I couldn't resist. Again from
lb.org
The Libertarian Party has long recognized the importance of allowing free and open immigration, understanding that this leads to a growing and more prosperous America. We condemn the xenophobic immigrant bashing that would build a wall around the United States. At the same time, we recognize that the right to enter the United States does not include the right to economic entitlements such as welfare. The freedom to immigrate is a freedom of opportunity, not a guarantee of a handout.
A policy of open immigration will advance the economic well-being of all Americans. All major recent studies of immigrants indicate that they have a high labor force participation, are entrepreneurial, and tend to have specialized skills that allow them to enter under-served markets. Although it is a common misconception that immigrants "take jobs away from native-born Americans," this does not appear to be true. In 1989, the U.S. Department of Labor reviewed nearly 100 studies on the relationship between immigration and unemployment and concluded that "neither U.S. workers nor most minority workers appear adversely affected by immigration."
Indeed, most studies show that immigrants actually lead to an increase in the number of jobs available. Immigrants produce jobs in several ways: 1) They expand the demand for goods and services through their own consumption; 2) They bring savings with them that contribute to overall investment and productivity; 3) They are more highly entrepreneurial than native-born Americans and create jobs through the businesses they start; 4) They fill gaps in the low and high ends of the labor markets, producing subsidiary jobs for American workers; 5) Low-wage immigrants may enable threatened American businesses to survive competition from low-wage businesses abroad; and 6) They contribute to increased economic efficiencies through economies of scale.
Confirmation can be seen in a study by economists Richard Vedder and Lowell Galloway of Ohio University and Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute. They found that states with the highest rates of immigration during the 1980s also had the highest rates of economic growth and lowest rates of unemployment.
So much for your xenophobic arguments.
lb.org
The Libertarian Party has long recognized the importance of allowing free and open immigration, understanding that this leads to a growing and more prosperous America. We condemn the xenophobic immigrant bashing that would build a wall around the United States. At the same time, we recognize that the right to enter the United States does not include the right to economic entitlements such as welfare. The freedom to immigrate is a freedom of opportunity, not a guarantee of a handout.
A policy of open immigration will advance the economic well-being of all Americans. All major recent studies of immigrants indicate that they have a high labor force participation, are entrepreneurial, and tend to have specialized skills that allow them to enter under-served markets. Although it is a common misconception that immigrants "take jobs away from native-born Americans," this does not appear to be true. In 1989, the U.S. Department of Labor reviewed nearly 100 studies on the relationship between immigration and unemployment and concluded that "neither U.S. workers nor most minority workers appear adversely affected by immigration."
Indeed, most studies show that immigrants actually lead to an increase in the number of jobs available. Immigrants produce jobs in several ways: 1) They expand the demand for goods and services through their own consumption; 2) They bring savings with them that contribute to overall investment and productivity; 3) They are more highly entrepreneurial than native-born Americans and create jobs through the businesses they start; 4) They fill gaps in the low and high ends of the labor markets, producing subsidiary jobs for American workers; 5) Low-wage immigrants may enable threatened American businesses to survive competition from low-wage businesses abroad; and 6) They contribute to increased economic efficiencies through economies of scale.
Confirmation can be seen in a study by economists Richard Vedder and Lowell Galloway of Ohio University and Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute. They found that states with the highest rates of immigration during the 1980s also had the highest rates of economic growth and lowest rates of unemployment.
So much for your xenophobic arguments.
Jun 28th, 2002, 06:53 PM
#89
Guest
Posts: n/a
Oh my goodness, Mark, could you ever have imagined the direction your original post would take? I am amazed and amused!We've gone from remembering how Europe has gone changed in the last 20 or so years to Britain bashing to the pledge of allegiance.That's why I love the United States of America.Happy fourth of July!
Jun 28th, 2002, 08:51 PM
#93
Guest
Posts: n/a
"Europe just isn't what it used to be".
That's true. When they finish with the construction it will be even better. It's still more interesting culturally than America. I love it there. Especially in the South. Ahhh. Sigh. It's not what it used to be. I think it's better.
That's true. When they finish with the construction it will be even better. It's still more interesting culturally than America. I love it there. Especially in the South. Ahhh. Sigh. It's not what it used to be. I think it's better.
