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Maira May 1st, 2003 02:47 PM

well bmeyer, if you are of the mind that "2 days is Paris is plenty time" (from your previous post), then that itinerary is fine for you.

Now, on a side note, try to get yourself to a library/bookstore and browse some travelogues. There is quite a huge difference between a traveler and a tourist.

CharlieB May 1st, 2003 04:05 PM

One really has to wonder why you have chosen this itinerary, or even why you travel to Europe. It can't be to really enjoy the sites and experience the different cultures. I suspect it is only to impress your friends and neighbors. "Oh yes! I've been to Florence." - even though it was only for 6 hours plus a good nights sleep!

bmeyerhoff May 2nd, 2003 08:22 AM

Thank you darnellkebo for the great information. I will be looking into all of those places. We are looking forward to the Hofbrauhaus! Maira....I'm glad that you approve of my itinerary. I sense some anger in the fact that I might be a tourist rather than a traveler. Forgive me if I am wrong. I'm not sure what the point is spending all your time critizing what someone else feels like doing. If you are such a great traveler why don't you point out something for me to see instead of wasting both of our times. And for Charlie B...do you really think I would travel to all of these places to impress my friends? Maybe your lack of friends is the reason why you have nothing better to do...instead of making bone head comments about "MY" trip, you could try making a suggestion about what we could see in these particular countries. Maybe I should rephrase the question? I am going to Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Czech Rep., and London. Can you recommend anything for me to see there if I had all the time in the world to see it? Thanks again!

LaurenSKahn May 2nd, 2003 03:22 PM

He who buys a Eurail pass and tries to max out is assured of getting to see what all the major train stations in large European cities look like, however, he will not stay in any of the cities long enough to find out what it looks like.

Fewer countries and less time in transit is definitely called for unless the purpose of your trip is to ride as many trains as possible.

RAR May 2nd, 2003 03:34 PM

I can help with the Italian part I think. Venice can be "seen" in a day, you don't need 2.

Milan can be skipped, most people don't tend to be all that enamoured with it (including myself). The only true big draw there, the duomo, is currently scaffolded and under restoration.

Get rid of the Cinque Terre idea, it's too far out of the way from the travel lines you're taking. It's a minimum 6 hour train ride from there to Venice.

Use those extra two days in Rome.

I'll also chime in on a couple other things.. Vienna needs more than 1 day. Take the night train to Munich and save yourself a day. On a whirlwind tour like this 7 hours of daylight is too much time to waste on a train.

bmeyerhoff May 2nd, 2003 03:44 PM

Ok...I have had enough of the comments about how I travel. Maybe some people are upset that they are stuck at home all day on their computer while I am out seeing different parts of the world. I can only hope to grow old and spend my time commenting on other people's travel patterns. So anyway no more comments will be necessary. I do appreciate to two good comments made out of the twenty...however this is possibly one of the worst places to get any kind of travel info as all the replies are focusing on something that had nothing to do with the question. I think taking advice from anyone on here would be a terrible mistake...I have a feeling that the people spending their whole day making rude comments get their travel info by watching the national geographic channel or searching through the internet. So lets end this post so I don't have to put up with anyone else's idiotic comments. Enjoy the interiors of your house spending time on your computer looking at a beautiful landscape on your wallpaper that I will be visting in person. Try to enjoy what you have left of your pitied life!

janis May 2nd, 2003 06:31 PM

the jigs up bmeyerhof. I suspected as much, but your last thread definitely proves you are a troll.

(In case you didn't notice, most of the comments were ACTUALLY trying to be helpful, but unless they agree with you they are stupid and uninformed)

Clifton May 2nd, 2003 08:40 PM

bmeyerhoff,

I will say that I thought the original post was a joke. It sounded like one of the put-ons that used to be common on here before registration kicked in. My mistake for misreading and I admit it.

I hadn't heard that Marriott had absorbed Ramada. Interesting.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you're wanting from people honestly. Did you read *any* of the posts before you asked complete strangers for help, at least to see who it was you were asking? You're going to spend a few hours in each of many different heavily touristed cities areas in the height of summer. You say you want to go to the major tourist spots but seem to have no idea what those spots are. This at a time when it will take hours just to get through the line at one site.

I have to ask because I'm genuinely curious. Exactly what did you base your list of cities on? You don't seem to have an idea what's in these cities besides your hotel. And without doing so much as a basic search with the word "Munich" or "Florence" in the text box, without a single indication that you are interested enough in your own trip to type the names of a couple of cities, you feel on solid enough ground to call other people names.

Do you feel that to be a wise course of action?

You know, I guess there was a point in many people's lives where they were more of the variety of "what's there to do?" rather than "what's there to learn?". And I still consider myself as much a tourist as a traveller. I like seeing the major places. Most here I feel know a hell of a lot more than I do about travelling and they're willing to share it. This isn't some kind of service on demand.

Patience, willingness to do research for yourself, natural curiosity, attention to detail. Those are qualities that people who sit and pour through national geographics often have. Wine magazine readers often have these traits too as do Cosmo readers. But as you head into your studies, I will say this... I know of not one single *good* doctor without them. Those characteristics may even be expected in med school, but I could be wrong.

Now, the only advise I can give, as I don't think you and I would likely agree on what was worth seeing is:

In August, get there before things open and you might fit two things in per city if admission is involved. Since you will mostly see the outside of things anyway, in the major cities, think about one of the all-day, hop-on hop-off bus routes. They'll swing you by most of the major sites and if you want to get off and get a picture of yourself in front of it, you can catch the next one and continue on.

Enjoy your trip!

Ruth May 3rd, 2003 12:44 PM

I agree with Clifton and others - as you only have 1 day in so many cities, surely you can find out for yourself what the one or 2 must-sees are? Why did you choose these places? You have not given us much idea of your interests in any case (I could recommend a museum in London, but which one??? world-class art, military history, British history, modern art, film, design???) but maybe you don't like museums. Why not just look at a guide book from the library for each city (you don't need to open it) and visit the site featured on the cover? More seriously, look at the Fodors site (or others) for a 1-day itinerary for each of your cities - this is a very good place to start.


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