Europe & Covid

Old Mar 15th, 2021, 05:00 AM
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Flying is what worries me. I have a voucher for $1,400 that I have to use by January 22. That is too much money to not use it. I have thought of just flying somewhere in the USA. Right now driving cross country sounds better. But again, I don't want to just throw away $1,400! Hopefully, everything gets back to some type of normal in 2022. I am ready to go to Germany. Thanks for all the replies.
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Old Mar 15th, 2021, 08:32 AM
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By next year there probably be some places worth going to where it will be safe for you, especially if you are immunized. The limiting factor will be having something to do when you arrive. These factors are unpredictable at this time. Your best plan B is right now to ask United if they can extend your voucher for another year. Chris Elliott's site has something about doing this with United, if memory serves me right.
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Old Mar 16th, 2021, 10:07 AM
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Key thing is to learn to be very flexible with plans I think. Last year I planned and cancelled over 11 vacations as the situation changed and got worse than we were expecting. It didn't matter. I enjoy researching them and learning a lot of stuff as I plan, so I don't regret them. This year so far I have planned and cancelled 5 vacations so far as things didn't get better in the way we were hoping.

This year I have hopes of Greece in June. If that fails we will go to Turkey. Or perhaps some exciting mix of Turkey, Albania, and Bulgaria,,,Key thing is to ensure that everything you can book can be cancelled until days before the trip starts.

On the topic of covid transmission while vaccinated some of the best evidence we have is here:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3790399

Though not yet peer reviewed the evidence is rather hopeful. Very hopeful I would say indeed.
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Old Mar 19th, 2021, 12:05 PM
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Key thing is to learn to be very flexible with plans I think. Last year I planned and cancelled over 11 vacations as the situation changed and got worse than we were expecting. It didn't matter. I enjoy researching them and learning a lot of stuff as I plan, so I don't regret them. This year so far I have planned and cancelled 5 vacations so far as things didn't get better in the way we were hoping.

This year I have hopes of Greece in June. If that fails we will go to Turkey. Or perhaps some exciting mix of Turkey, Albania, and Bulgaria,,,Key thing is to ensure that everything you can book can be cancelled until days before the trip starts.

On the topic of covid transmission while vaccinated some of the best evidence we have is here:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3790399

Though not yet peer reviewed the evidence is rather hopeful. Very hopeful I would say indeed.
In many EU countries, the British variant is now dominant. We've had cases of a very virulent Brazilian variant in NL, and in Sweden, the SA variant is gaining ground on the British variant spread they already have. A variant in Brittany is not PCR testable, because it doesn't adhere to the swab. We're dealing with this for a long time, also because the EU vaccination strategy is so shoddy.
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Old Mar 20th, 2021, 12:03 AM
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The problem is outside of the Uk very little testing to find out which variant is in circulation. Worse for various reasons most of Europe isn't really closed to external travel.

The UK variant is in the news because it's okay to mention it. The Spanish was the big problem before that and nobody mentioned it. The South African and Brazilian are getting little attention in the media. Two weeks ago Italy discovered a Nigerian variant and one from India. Considering how little testing Italy does who knows how widespread any of this is. So they blame the UK variant.
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Old Mar 20th, 2021, 01:09 AM
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Apart from vaccinations and Covid-19 infection rates, two other things must happen if Americans wish to travel to the EU/Schengen countries this summer:

1. The US must be added to the List of Safe Countries to Travel to the EU:
https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news...y-restrictions

2. The US must begin to allow EU/Schengen citizens to travel as tourists to the US:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.
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Old Mar 20th, 2021, 01:41 AM
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https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsu.../covid-variant

The UK is using all its (private and public) testing capacity looking for variants and in mid March was still doing more than half the world's testing. This thing is like flu and we don't want to give it a chance to do the Spanish Flu variant mutation where enough dna/rna flipped and it went from a slightly dangerous version of flu to a killer. You have to monitor and you have to track and trace it down. Anyone who thinks holiday travel without masks and full T&T for a couple of years is crazy. Spanish Flu lasted 2 years, we have far more humans 1.8 Billion to 7.8 Billion. 1918 was a period of mass movement being at the end of WW1. Even so only a tiny proportion of the people were moving. Now a large percentage move all the time.
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Old Mar 20th, 2021, 02:16 AM
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MinnBeef, maybe Serbia? They are doing a pretty good job so far.
rialtogrl do you think Serbia is worth visiting? Might be a dumb question but I just can’t get excited about Serbia. I am wishing Croatia would open again soon.
We want to go back ASAP!
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Originally Posted by cafegoddess View Post
rialtogrl do you think Serbia is worth visiting? Might be a dumb question but I just can’t get excited about Serbia. I am wishing Croatia would open again soon.
We want to go back ASAP!
cafegoddess, I have never been to Serbia but I would like to go. They are vaccinating a lot of people but they also have an increase in cases since I wrote that. Hopefully we will see a change soon.

Croatia was never really closed. For some months they said tourism was not a reason to enter but economic interest is. Many people entered with a PCR test and proof of accommodation. Now they have changed the wording and tourism is allowed (which it was before, under “economic interest.”)
https://hr.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information-2/

I would not book any non refundable plane ticket, but keep an eye on it if you want to come back.

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Old Mar 20th, 2021, 09:24 AM
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Given the Dalmatian coast and the opportunities to visit Montenegro, Boznia, Croatia and Slovenia I'd struggle to want to go to Croatia at all
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Given the Dalmatian coast and the opportunities to visit Montenegro, Boznia, Croatia and Slovenia I'd struggle to want to go to Croatia at all
Why Bill, just curious? Thank you.

rialtogrl thank you very much, I will continue to check
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Why, all my life the other places have been much prettier. Politically all the other places are nicer even Montenegro which is a bit debatable.
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Originally Posted by bilboburgler View Post
Given the Dalmatian coast and the opportunities to visit Montenegro, Boznia, Croatia and Slovenia I'd struggle to want to go to Croatia at all
‘Croatia? Or Serbia? I’m a bit confused.
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Old Mar 22nd, 2021, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bilboburgler View Post
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsu.../covid-variant

The UK is using all its (private and public) testing capacity looking for variants and in mid March was still doing more than half the world's testing. This thing is like flu and we don't want to give it a chance to do the Spanish Flu variant mutation where enough dna/rna flipped and it went from a slightly dangerous version of flu to a killer. You have to monitor and you have to track and trace it down. Anyone who thinks holiday travel without masks and full T&T for a couple of years is crazy. Spanish Flu lasted 2 years, we have far more humans 1.8 Billion to 7.8 Billion. 1918 was a period of mass movement being at the end of WW1. Even so only a tiny proportion of the people were moving. Now a large percentage move all the time.
We've got a vaccine this time. That makes a huge difference. Yes, they are having problems with the roll out in Europe, but it will get done sooner or later. Once the population is vaccinated, things should get pretty much back to normal, barring some kind of variant where the vaccine just doesn't work. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect vaccine distribution to be pretty well complete in Europe by the end of the year--that's six months later than I expect it in the US.
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I don't think that's an accurate picture of the Spanish Flu epidemic. I think it actually became less lethal over time. And the reasons it was so lethal in the earlier period is not necessarily the virus variant but public health conditions and general health at that time and challenges from the war, as well as lack of drug therapy (ie, no antibiotics for secondary infections). Also, teh more lethal variant might have spread because the very sick were the ones being transported or leaving home.
Here is an interesting article analyzing that pandemic and one of the co-authors is the US own Dr. Fauci.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/195/7/1018/800918

But in any case, we have advanced medically since 1918, thank goodness.
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I just want to mention I live in California which has a population of 37 million. From April 15 everyone over 16 will be able to receive a vaccine. Perhaps this makes things more hopeful for improvements for EU residents by summer and hopefully a return to European travel by the end of summer or early fall?
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""I just want to mention I live in California which has a population of 37 million.""

You are a little short.

California population from Google
2021* 39,984,261

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Lol. Yes I am probably using old figures. Anyway the good news is vaccines for everyone starting April 15, hopefully this will bode well for Europe. Cheers
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About 20% of California's population and the national population are not 16 or older. Anyway, there is no vaccine currently approved for use in children. Nationally, upwards of 25% of those eligible say they won't get the vaccination. Put those percentages together, and you get more than 130,000,000 people in the U.S. who will NOT be vaccinated before May or perhaps ever. Will we reach herd immunity anyway? Probably. Eventually. But will that happen in time for (sensible) global travel this summer or fall to countries whose vaccine rollouts are more sluggish? I doubt it.

Whatever. Those who want to be optimistic about European travel in 6 months will be optimistic. Just make sure everything's refundable.
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I just want to mention I live in California which has a population of 37 million. From April 15 everyone over 16 will be able to receive a vaccine. Perhaps this makes things more hopeful for improvements for EU residents by summer and hopefully a return to European travel by the end of summer or early fall?
Unfortunately, you may be overly optimistic by a month or two. They say that Germany won't achieve 70% of the population vaccinated until Sep or Oct -- that's the reason why the Oktoberfest could be canceled for the second year.

They were supposed to begun vaccinating the second priority group (over 70s) by mid-March, and it hasn't happened yet. They are still getting to the over-80s. They say they will begin vaccinating Priority 3, my group (over 60 but healthy), by May. I suspect that it'll be June before I get the shot.

Maybe non-EU residents will be allowed in by Dec??? Or maybe there will be a vaccine passport accepted by EU before then?? But as it stands now, I don't think there will be free travel by the end of summer.

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