EU to require visas of Americans???

Mar 3rd, 2017, 06:08 PM
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As an American, I was concerned about this when I first read about it today. I have a trip planned for April to Italy. I'll keep my eye on the news, but it seems this might be a non-issue for now. (?)
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Mar 4th, 2017, 12:58 AM
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For now, absolutely not an issue. For the future? It probably won't happen even though the eu is, of course, right. Why isn't Poland, which has been very loyal to George Bush's war not on the list eligible for visa waivers?
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Mar 5th, 2017, 05:40 AM
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Requiring Americans to visa up did happen before, at least for France in the 1980s. The socialist President Mitterand got in a huff about something and imposed a visa requirement on Americans. I have one of those visas in an old passport. It cost 60 French francs in 1989, plus the nuisance. As I recall the Grenouilles had second thoughts and got rid of the visa requirement within a year.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 06:54 AM
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I had to get a visa the first time I went to France, it was in the 80s. Even if this happened, it's hardly the end of the world to get a visa. It wasn't much nuisance to me, but I lived in a big city with a French consulate (LA). Some countries make it real easy, also, it's basically just a fee you pay at the airport upon entry. That's what I did in Egypt in the 80s. If it were like that, I can't imagine some tourist refusing to go to some European country because of that. Right now Mexico has what is basically a visa for entry (called a Migratory Tourist Form or FMT in Spanish), which is a fee you pay upon entry at the airport or wherever. Hardly stops thousands of Americans from going there all the time.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 07:04 AM
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I also had to get a French visa in 1988. It wasn't painful but was a bother. I'm sure the U.K. >> Belgium ferry operators were happy about it!

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/01/wo...-year-end.html
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Mar 5th, 2017, 07:59 AM
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Christina: Mexico eliminated the tourist fee last May although many websites still state it is in effect.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 08:00 AM
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I also needed a visa when going to USA.

And I got threatened once to not being allowed on US ground because I was not answering fast enough.

Was my best experience with customs.
I told the guy I would love to be sent back to Europe.
The guy couldn't believe his ears
For a few moments I was the king.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 08:26 AM
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Absolutely, just ask that poor Spanish restaurant in Spain:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-000-bill.html

I have fond memories of the time in Constanza , otherwise know as Kentburg (after Kent cigarettes)

Bulgaria ? same. Ends in 'a'.

Just like Romania except starts with a B.

Croatia : same. Ends in 'a'.

Just like Romania except starts with a C


Cyprus ? same. Ends with a 'a'.

Cyprus is in Europe ???

Poland ? Country of plumbers and maidwomen. Why would they need to go to US ?

I guess you never had the pleasure of hosting Polish relatives.
A typical Polish visit to North America is as follows:

-pay for ticket
-provide room
-prepare three meals a day
-provide transport to Niagara Falls
-find black market job so they can earn "dulars"
-buy two large suitcases and fill with gifts.
-pay re-booking penalties because they want to stay longer than their allowed visitor visa time to earn more "dulars".

More than 20% of Polish visitors do the latter, the real reason Poles need a visa to visit the US and Slovenian don't.

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Mar 5th, 2017, 09:05 AM
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I posted this on the other thread. Maybe this link will help

This is a link to a November EU Commission press release which if I read it correctly, states in more detail the future plan of the EU regarding travel of Visa exempt (US for one) tourists. This, as others have pointed out, has been in the works for a long time. As another poster said, the OP is referring to a vote by Parliament with the power to change the current procedure resting with the EU Commission.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-3674_en.htm
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Mar 5th, 2017, 09:26 AM
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You been to Romania : total disaster there, only thieves.
Bulgaria ? same. Ends in 'a'.
Croatia : same. Ends in 'a'.
Cyprus ? same. Ends witrh a 'a'.
Poland ? Country of plumbers and maidwomen. Why would they need to go to US ?>>

Trump has a couple of companies in Cyprus and lots of his Russian friends have money there so I would expect Cyprus to get the same treatment as Saudi Arabia and Dubai did in the travel ban debacle.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 09:42 AM
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I assume that most US citizens think that "visa waiver" means that you show up with your passport at the port of entry, an officer asks you some questions, stamps your passport and off you go.

That's not the way entry into the US works.

First, while still at home, you need to go online and fill out the ESTA form. Uncle Sam does not only need to know my home residence, address in the US, place of birth and passport number, but also my employer(s), my parents' data, my social media accounts (only the latter still voluntary).
Then you answer a bunch of stupid questions (like on the old paper form) where the answer should always be "No."
After you paid for ESTA, the system checks your data and issues something like a pre-clearance okay. If not, you need to apply for a visa.

Then you fill out the APIS form. Anything APIS wants to know, is in your ESTA data already. But those two systems don't talk with eachother.

Upon arrival, you "meet" an Automated Passport Control machine which is anything but automated.
Instead, you type in again the data which you have already supplied twice.
Neither ESTA nor APIS data shows up when you scan your passport and take your fingerprints. And you get to bow in front of that stupid machine to take your picture as the camera is mounted at the height of your chest.
If you succesfully mastered the APC, the machine will issue a slip of paper with your ID number, and you proceed (and line up) for the human immigration officers. Who may ask you some more questions. Or the same questions.

Actually, I understand the necessity to screen and check people who want to enter another country. But the whole system for entering the US is more Kafka than high-tech.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 01:08 PM
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I haven't met automated passport control in th US. Just dumb border control officials. Some have been to charm school. Most haven't. Either way they make you feel like a criminal with the photos and fingerprinting.
You forgot to mention we have to pay for the privilege of giving up so much personal information on the ESTA form.

The first time I went to the US, in 1980 I had to have a visa. It was easier to get a visa then than it is to travel now with the visa waiver scheme.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 01:14 PM
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We got visas the first time we went to the US in 1988. It seemed easier and safer than the visa waiver that we could have used.

for all I know they are still valid.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 10:08 PM
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The ESTA questions crack me up. For US citizens here who have never seen them, here's a helpful site;

http://www.immihelp.com/esta/application-guidance.html

I can just imagine the tourist who speaks basic English answering a question about moral turpitude. The site offers a helpful explanations; 'conduct that is vile or depraved'

Question C doesn't need an explanation. Because, obviously, if you've been involved in genocide you presumably know what it means, and answer 'yes' to this question.
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Mar 5th, 2017, 11:18 PM
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Please do not quote the Daily Mail. Even Wikipedia thinks it is publishing "fake" news.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/09/...ns-daily-mail/
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Mar 5th, 2017, 11:32 PM
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What i love in the questions is that ESTA states something like 'if you answered yes to any of those questions you may not be allowed entry'.
Ahah. So I am a terrorist plotting to kidnap a US cild, am a nazi sympathiser and plan actions against US, but I wanted to be honest.
Now, upon reflection, maybe I will lie about my intentions.
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Mar 6th, 2017, 08:44 AM
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So I am a terrorist plotting to kidnap a US cild, am a nazi sympathiser and plan actions against US, but I wanted to be honest.
Now, upon reflection, maybe I will lie about my intentions.>>

WoinP - you'd think that terrorists could think of that for themselves, wouldn't you?

And also to have a new /different mobile phone which hasn't got their incriminating social media on it. Cos all ISIS operatives travel with a mobile with all their contacts on it, right?
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Mar 6th, 2017, 10:10 AM
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Nope. Terrorists don't lie and don't think. You just ask them 'do you want to do a terrorist act ?' and you catch them.
Too bad we don't ask when entering Europe.
But we are as stupid in France : there is a control at the border between France and Belgium but only at the highway. And only one highway.
Terrorists would never think of going through the numerous small roads or would never make a detour via Luxembourg to reach Paris.
No way !
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Mar 6th, 2017, 12:09 PM
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Lucky those terrorists are so honest and thick, isn't it, WoinP?
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