England Vs USA World Cup
Dec 14th, 2009, 07:11 AM
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>Are you the Miranda Hart lookalike, or is the Miranda Hart lookalike your wife? Or is she actually Miranda Hart? And does your wife know?<
Behave yourself Flanner dear boy. You'll give yourself aneurysm working that lot out. I have to assume you're referring to my profile pic in which case "Miranda" would be my SO whilst the fat bloke would be me.
http://twitter.com/mermhart
I have asked SO if she is Miranda Hart but she insists she isn't. Which comes as a relief to us both, more so for her as she is hard pressed to find time in her already busy schedule without the addition of a career as a comedic actress to contend with. However she is encouraged to know that should she decide to take up a life in comedy that she need only come here, open one of your posts and be inspired.
Behave yourself Flanner dear boy. You'll give yourself aneurysm working that lot out. I have to assume you're referring to my profile pic in which case "Miranda" would be my SO whilst the fat bloke would be me.
http://twitter.com/mermhart
I have asked SO if she is Miranda Hart but she insists she isn't. Which comes as a relief to us both, more so for her as she is hard pressed to find time in her already busy schedule without the addition of a career as a comedic actress to contend with. However she is encouraged to know that should she decide to take up a life in comedy that she need only come here, open one of your posts and be inspired.
Dec 14th, 2009, 12:42 PM
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portuense on Dec 11, 09 at 3:12pm
palenque...what, exactly is soccer?>
portuense on Dec 11, 09 at 3:12pm
palenque...what, exactly is soccer?>
Portuense - soccer is what British folk once called football - even apparently as long ago as with Mary Queen of Scots and certainly was a truncation of AsSOCiation Football in the 1859s
And today on Carnaby Street there is Soccer World - planted firmly in the English capital.
ORIGINS OF THE WORD SOCCER
The accepted origin of the word "soccer" is that its a contraction of the word "Association" with reference to "Association Football". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football.
In 1889 the word was "socca", later it was "socker" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on "soccer" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word "Association" and adding "er". They had other expressions such as "brekkers" for "breakfast" and "rugger" for "rugby."
While this seems a relatively acceptable version of the origin, and it does seem reasonble if these references started appearing in literature a couple of decades after the "association" was formed, there are a couple of things which put doubts in my mind.
Firstly it doesn't exactly follow the established rules for these Oxford contractions. Instead of merely chopping the last syllable off the word and adding "er", they remove the last two syllables, also remove the first letter of the word, then change the soft "c"s in the word to hard "c"s, before adding the "er". Okay, so maybe following the normal rules does produce the less desirable "asser", but why didn't this word become at least "sosser"?
Secondly, there is an alternative theory which fits rather well and, like the game itself, is considerably older than a hundred and fifty years.
Football has roots thousands of years ago across many countries of the world but in England it became taken up by the working classes and frowned upon by those in authority and the upper classes. It was a very rough and dangerous sport at first, known as "mob football" and was little more than a violent street battle. The first use of the phrase "football" or rather "fut ball" was in 1424 in the editc reproduced on the right, but what about "soccer"?
If you look up at the closest-sounding modern word, "sock", a couple of interesting points appear. The modern word comes from an old English word spelt "socc". More interestingly this was not a snug, fabric covering as it is today, but back then it meant a light shoe and it comes from the Latin "soccus". The word "socc" to mean "shoe" first appeared in 725AD but was there any evidence of it relating to football?
When Mary Queen of Scots was imprisoned in Carlisle Castle in Tudor times it is documented that she watched the game of football, indeed her retinue played for two hours "strongly" and "skillfully". And, by an amazing coincidence, on this map of Carlisle Castle, it is remarkable to note that certain fields are labelled "Castle Soceries".
So could this be proof that in medieval times the game was also known as "soccer" and played by those wearing "soccs" on ground known as "soceries"... with the players "socking" the ball? It is certainly very far from being proof and sadly this circumstantial evidence is all there is to this theory. There appears to be no written evidence putting the word "socc" in the context of football but it remains an interesting mystery.
palenque...what, exactly is soccer?>
portuense on Dec 11, 09 at 3:12pm
palenque...what, exactly is soccer?>
Portuense - soccer is what British folk once called football - even apparently as long ago as with Mary Queen of Scots and certainly was a truncation of AsSOCiation Football in the 1859s
And today on Carnaby Street there is Soccer World - planted firmly in the English capital.
ORIGINS OF THE WORD SOCCER
The accepted origin of the word "soccer" is that its a contraction of the word "Association" with reference to "Association Football". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football.
In 1889 the word was "socca", later it was "socker" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on "soccer" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word "Association" and adding "er". They had other expressions such as "brekkers" for "breakfast" and "rugger" for "rugby."
While this seems a relatively acceptable version of the origin, and it does seem reasonble if these references started appearing in literature a couple of decades after the "association" was formed, there are a couple of things which put doubts in my mind.
Firstly it doesn't exactly follow the established rules for these Oxford contractions. Instead of merely chopping the last syllable off the word and adding "er", they remove the last two syllables, also remove the first letter of the word, then change the soft "c"s in the word to hard "c"s, before adding the "er". Okay, so maybe following the normal rules does produce the less desirable "asser", but why didn't this word become at least "sosser"?
Secondly, there is an alternative theory which fits rather well and, like the game itself, is considerably older than a hundred and fifty years.
Football has roots thousands of years ago across many countries of the world but in England it became taken up by the working classes and frowned upon by those in authority and the upper classes. It was a very rough and dangerous sport at first, known as "mob football" and was little more than a violent street battle. The first use of the phrase "football" or rather "fut ball" was in 1424 in the editc reproduced on the right, but what about "soccer"?
If you look up at the closest-sounding modern word, "sock", a couple of interesting points appear. The modern word comes from an old English word spelt "socc". More interestingly this was not a snug, fabric covering as it is today, but back then it meant a light shoe and it comes from the Latin "soccus". The word "socc" to mean "shoe" first appeared in 725AD but was there any evidence of it relating to football?
When Mary Queen of Scots was imprisoned in Carlisle Castle in Tudor times it is documented that she watched the game of football, indeed her retinue played for two hours "strongly" and "skillfully". And, by an amazing coincidence, on this map of Carlisle Castle, it is remarkable to note that certain fields are labelled "Castle Soceries".
So could this be proof that in medieval times the game was also known as "soccer" and played by those wearing "soccs" on ground known as "soceries"... with the players "socking" the ball? It is certainly very far from being proof and sadly this circumstantial evidence is all there is to this theory. There appears to be no written evidence putting the word "socc" in the context of football but it remains an interesting mystery.
Dec 15th, 2009, 04:35 AM
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portuense - naw i did not miss you point - denigrating the use of the American word for British football - in good fun and that was also with my response. Anyway yes soccer is a good ole English word.
Dec 15th, 2009, 06:53 AM
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"CW - thinks that if our first XI can stay fit we'll win it. Again."
Yeah, but no first XI ever stays fit. But actually with Capello you might have a chance, at least if he finds someone as gooalkeeper who isn't using the opportunity to audition for his future career as a clown.
Yeah, but no first XI ever stays fit. But actually with Capello you might have a chance, at least if he finds someone as gooalkeeper who isn't using the opportunity to audition for his future career as a clown.
Dec 15th, 2009, 10:11 AM
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Soccerscene - Carnaby Stores
Carnaby Street in the centre of London is the home of Soccerscene, known throughout the football world as the only store where you can obtain the most exclusive club soccer strips. Over 400 different shirts in most sizes are usually ...
www.carnaby.co.uk/store/soccerscene
'where you can obtainthe most exclusive 'soccer' strips - not football strips
Carnaby Street in the centre of London is the home of Soccerscene, known throughout the football world as the only store where you can obtain the most exclusive club soccer strips. Over 400 different shirts in most sizes are usually ...
www.carnaby.co.uk/store/soccerscene
'where you can obtainthe most exclusive 'soccer' strips - not football strips
Dec 15th, 2009, 10:15 AM
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Like I said. For foreigns.
Most of us only buy two tops. Our club's and our country's
And we mend our cars wearing them.
You foreigns can do what you like but don't expect us to take you seriously.
Most of us only buy two tops. Our club's and our country's
And we mend our cars wearing them.
You foreigns can do what you like but don't expect us to take you seriously.
Dec 15th, 2009, 10:37 AM
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Carnaby Street was Uber famous long before CW was born when i first went to London in 1969, when Maryann Faithful was the rage, i sought it out - it was really popular with the hippy type younger crowd - it's really a cul-de-sac of sorts, just off, i think Regent (or Bonf?) Street
