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Images2 Dec 4th, 2009 09:17 AM

England Vs USA World Cup
England's first game in the World Cup will be against the USA on June 12!

We are from the US and will be spending most of the time during the games in England for the purpose of watching the matches in a country who is excited about them!

We'll be in York for that game. Where would the best spot be to enjoy this match?

Thanks so much. We'll be rooting for England.

stfc Dec 4th, 2009 09:58 AM

In a pub that has big TV screens. My wife and I watched some matches of the last World Cup in a bar in NYC and USA v Ghana in Times Square on the big ESPN screen. Great atmosphere.

Alec Dec 4th, 2009 10:09 AM

Some cities put up giant outdoor screen for important World Cup matches, so keep your eyes peeled for local announcement nearer the time.

alihutch Dec 4th, 2009 10:59 AM

We'll be rooting for England.


annhig Dec 4th, 2009 12:29 PM

We'll be rooting for England.


in the hope that hostile locals won't spot that they are if!

Images2 Dec 4th, 2009 01:03 PM

Because my husband is a huge fan of the English leagues. I prefer France!

I was just wondering if there was a specific pub in York that might be better to watch the matches in? I realize they'll be in several, but is one better than another? Same with Edinburgh, as we'll be there also.

wellididntknowthat Dec 4th, 2009 01:20 PM

Just about every pub in the country will have the games on. Your experience of watching England games in York will be a bit different than in Edinburgh.

alihutch Dec 4th, 2009 02:43 PM

The general idea is that you support your own country's team...unless you are Scottish and you also support every team that England are playing....

Alec Dec 4th, 2009 03:16 PM

Some years ago I was in York while an important England match against Germany was being played. Went to several pubs in the centre and couldn't get into any of them as all seats were taken and people were standing round every screen. Eventually found a pub a little out of centre in a residential area and watched the match with some locals, in comfort.
So if you intend to watch the England's opening game (it will be in the evening), I suggest you get there early, at least an hour before kick off. Also remember some pubs get very rowdy with drunk, mostly young male crowds and atmosphere can get rather intimidating. Use your discretion. If you celebrate a US goal, you won't be very popular and can get a nasty reaction from some people.

janisj Dec 4th, 2009 07:02 PM

I was thinking what Alec wrote . . . Imagine going into a sports bar in the States on Super Bowl Sunday. Very, VERY crowded. You won't be able to just pick a place and walk in.

flanneruk Dec 4th, 2009 07:58 PM

The best place to watch a football match is the one where the crowd suits you.

There's no way any of us can know which pub in York (assuming there's no public giant screen) matches what suits you. But we don't need to.

The England/US match is at 1930 on June 12. Before then, there'll have been the opening match (at 1500 the previous day) a match involving France at 1930 the previous day and one involving Argentina at 1500 the day of the England match. So use those - all of some interest in England - to judge pubs' ambience

Images2 Dec 10th, 2009 10:04 AM

Thanks everyone for your help. I didn't realize the pubs would be so crowded. flanneruk's suggestion is very helpful. We'll be watching as many matches as we can fit in, so I guess we'll have all kinds of experiences.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 10th, 2009 10:11 AM

The pubs will be rammed. Unless you act the twat there shouldn't be any bother (we can easily lose to the yanks and still get through - not that we're going to lose).

As Flanneur says - have a gander a bit earlier and see if you feel comfortable.

Most English people will be happy to talk to you and enjoy the banter. There are obviously a few wankers as there are everywhere but this game should be a bit of a party as it's the first one.

Things only get lairy when we get knocked out. Then they DO get lairy.

Palenque Dec 10th, 2009 11:22 AM

How will York deal with all those American soccer hooligans? turn them away at the city limits? At the airports or ferry ports?

BigRuss Dec 10th, 2009 01:20 PM

Two things for the OP: (1) I'm disgusted that you would cheer for England over the US and you're Americans. If CW cheered for the US against England, I'd be disgusted by that. I actually root for the English in asSOCiation football tournaments but would not against my home nation. This is completely reasonable: I also root for just about anyone who plays the Germans.

(2) I'm amazed that you "didn't realize the pubs would be so crowded" -- it's only the national game of the nation where the game originated and England has been STARVING for a World Cup title for 44 years (and the Germans have won two in the interim). I wonder: what color is the sun on your planet?

You're deep in danger of "act[ing] the twat".

As a helpful notion, however, pick a pub with a big screen around 2 pm the day the English play the US, start drinking, curse out the Argentines for two hours from 3-5 (you'll make scores of friends in England with that), continue drinking (and have something to eat), then watch the mother country and her prodigal son play.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 01:39 AM

I don’t know York so can’t recommend anywhere but what I can say is that you’ll have a much better time of it in a small local’s pub rather than the city centre beer barns which will be crowded – unpleasantly so.

Also don’t worry about being a yank. We don’t take the Americans seriously when it comes to football (actually this is a massive understatement – we think they’re hilariously awful). So there’s no rivalry, and people won’t mind you supporting your own country (and would find it mighty odd to support another country against your own – no one does this, although the jocks will support anyone against England. The sad sad bastards).

You might want to eat beforehand as there’s no way you’ll get fed during – and afterwards the place will be full of pissed people (English meaning of pissed).

The USA is going to get beaten worse than Tiger Woods.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 02:59 AM

>(and would find it mighty odd to support another country against your own – no one does this, although the jocks will support anyone against England. The sad sad bastards).<

Just like you would support anyone who plays Arsenal CW. Same thing innit.

caroline_edinburgh Dec 11th, 2009 03:12 AM

For Gawd's sake don't show any sign of supporting England if you watch any games in a public place in Edinburgh.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 03:12 AM

Not really ‘cos I don’t blame Arsenal for spurs being crap. (Not that we’re crap at the moment).

I find the whole ABE thing bloody silly. I know for most jocks it’s mainly a bit of fun, but too many of them take it to heart and really do hate the English (trust me I know this from personal experience in some of Motherwell’s rougher pubs (does it have any other kind?)

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 03:13 AM

For Gawd's sake don't show any sign of supporting England if you watch any games in a public place in Edinburgh.>>>

Like I said; sad sad bastards.

portuense Dec 11th, 2009 03:28 AM

go to the tourist office when you get to york. ask about pubs outside the centre/local villages. ask their advice about where would be good to go. a satellite village/town might be a good idea - less likely to come across yobs and far less likely to come across sweaty socks.
in edinburgh, find a bistro/foreign restaurant or bar eg french, italian. that way you won't get the hardcore sweaties and you should get to watch the game - ask beforehand. but don't ask at the tourist office because that will, of course, be staffed by sweaties

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 03:35 AM

In short expect to meet a lot of sweatties.

It appears to be a law that every English pub has at least one embittered jock sitting at the bar drinking himself into oblivion while blaming England for everything.

It’s the only thing they manage to export all on their own (they have to get us to get that sticky black stuff out the ground and put shortbread in tins).

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 03:40 AM

I really really hope you hurry up grow some balls and divorce us soon. If only to stop the infernal English whining. :-)

stfc Dec 11th, 2009 03:43 AM

A lot of us wish you would hurry up and get some proper football teams. Then we could have a proper match.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 03:44 AM

It’s not us. We want shot (an instant £1500 pay rise for every person in England). It’s just that you won’t leave and we think if we dump you, you’ll start self harming and develop an eating disorder. And stalk us.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 03:45 AM

Then we could have a proper match.>>>

They could beat us at curling.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 03:56 AM

>They could beat us at curling.<

Hairdressing is not a sport.

travelgourmet Dec 11th, 2009 03:57 AM

I say cheer for whomever you want. I think most Europeans are smart enough to figure out that most Americans don't give a toss. The few Americans that I know that care (or at least pretend to care), usually support whatever the "home" country is. Still, I'm a bit confused as to why being an EPL fan = being an England fan. About half the league is foreign.

Personally, I want the US to win the whole shooting match, not because I care about soccer (I prefer real sports), but because I know it would piss off all the soccer-mad countries. Imagine the scene - the US emerges victorious in one of the world's biggest sporting events and only about 20 people in the US would actually care.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 04:01 AM

>stfc on Dec 11, 09 at 12:43pm
A lot of us wish you would hurry up and get some proper football teams. Then we could have a proper match.

We're working on it. Sadly George Burley brought a fairly promising spell to a dismal conclusion. Hopefully the SFA will show some nous and appoint Dan Petrescu as the new coach. But I wont hold my breath.

Its annoying becuase we actually have some decent players kicking around we just need a manager who isn't a total knob. Alas any Scottish mananger worth his salt is getting paid 3 times what the SFA can afford plying their trade in the EPL.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 04:15 AM

Gilzean, bremner, White and McKay, Dagleish, Souness, Hansen, Gemmill, my mum, Souness, Archibald,….

Ou sont les chausettes sueurant d’antan?

It’s all gone Pete Tong innit? Not that this stops the “Old Firm” clamouring to play in England…..

ps Petrescu looks like Fox Mulder.

caroline_edinburgh Dec 11th, 2009 04:19 AM

I should perhaps have mentioned with my previous comment that a) I'm English myself so know about keeping my mouth shut, even during rugby games and b) I hate football whoever's playing. Personally I try to leave the country to avoid the suturation coverage & discussion around all the big tournaments.

portuense - "in edinburgh, find a bistro/foreign restaurant or bar eg french, italian. that way you won't get the hardcore sweaties and you should get to watch the game" - what sort of restaurants do you go to, that have TVs playing ?

OP, you'll be fine anywhere in Edinburgh that tourists are likely to go, but it would be pleasanter to watch matches not involving England. Do you know yet where you'll be staying, in case I can think of any good pubs nearby ? Although 'good pubs' and 'pubs with football on TV' are largely mutually exclusive IMO. There are however a few decent ones which only have the TVs on ocasionally.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 04:27 AM

>ps Petrescu looks like Fox Mulder.<

Very true! But more importantly he looks like a manager. What's he done with a club like Unirea is nothing short of stunning.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 04:32 AM

Unirea >>>

I had that once. I was prescribed an ointment.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 04:43 AM

>Cholmondley_Warner on Dec 11, 09 at 1:32pm
Unirea >>>

I had that once. I was prescribed an ointment.<

It is one of footballs more unfortunate names. Right up there with Celtic's former Brazillian defender Rafael Scheidt. It tooks us six months to realise that was his surname rather than a description of his ability.

Cholmondley_Warner Dec 11th, 2009 04:47 AM

Surely the daddy of them all was German striker Stephan Kuntz?

"And the germans have got Kuntz up front" was perhaps Motty's finest moment.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 04:56 AM

LOL! I'd forgotten about him. I'm hoping the Dutch lad Andre Ooijer gets a game this summer. Listening to the commentators search for a way of pronouncing it that doesn't sound like Motty getting a kick in the stones is amusing.

Josser Dec 11th, 2009 05:28 AM

I really really hope you hurry up grow some balls and divorce us soon. If only to stop the infernal English whining.

How do you know in Heathrow that a plane has just landed from Scotland.
When the engine is switched off, the whining doesn't stop.
Nobody minds them cheering against our team, although it's pretty childish IMHO. It's just that they do it while stuffing their boots with our dosh.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 05:38 AM

You just keep telling yourself that Josser. You have the power in your own hands. Vote for non unionist parties. These guys ned your vote.

Palenque Dec 11th, 2009 09:28 AM


Well most Yanks could give a rat's ass about this contest, truth be known - oh it would be nice to beat the English but... not like the juvenile mania in England - perennial losers for 44 years looking for a big win after a drought.

Ho-hum, Americans could care less really.

In York i suggest Betty's Tea Shop for watching the tilt.

wellididntknowthat Dec 11th, 2009 10:30 AM

Must be closing time at the paint shop.

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