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WillTravel Feb 17th, 2004 11:23 AM

I should add that I read up about Bagnolet/20th arrondissement and that was sufficient to convince me it wasn't a good area.

I am still concerned that Ibis says that it has "climate-controlled rooms", while other hotels do specifically say "air conditioning."

MorganB Feb 17th, 2004 04:20 PM

I have an IBIS hotel guide that specifies if it has real AC or is air cooled so if you want to know about a specific one and are unsure what the website means, just ask and I can look it up.

WillTravel Feb 18th, 2004 12:26 AM

Morgan, that is much appreciated. If you could look these up, that would be great.

In each case, I looked up the hotel web page on I then clicked the Directions to the hotel link. A web page popped up that lists the amenities of each Ibis. Beside each name I have put what Ibis says the hotel has - e.g. "Chambres climatisées."

Ibis Bastille Opera, 79 Euro, 11th, Chambres air rafraichi

Ibis Paris Porte Dorée, 70 Euros, 12th, Chambres climatisées

Ibis Paris République, 79 Euros, 10th, Chambres climatisées

Ibis Paris Avenue d'Italie, 75 Euros, 13th, Chambres climatisées

Ibis Paris Maine Montparnasse, 79 Euros, 14th, No indicator

Ibis Paris Tour Montparnasse, 79 Euros, 15th, Chambres climatisées

I'm guessing "Chambres air rafraichi" means something less than A/C. Not sure if "Chambres climatisées" means actual A/C or not.

ira Feb 18th, 2004 03:35 AM

Hi Will

'Chambres climatisées' is definitely "Air Conditioned".

Someone earlier posted a positive review of the Hotel Picpus. It looks like a nice hotel within your budget. I don't know if it has AC.

MorganB Feb 18th, 2004 05:43 AM


Like Ira said, Chambres climatisees does mean AC. Chambres air rafraichi means a cooled air system but not a real AC.

Ibis Bastille Opera, Cooled air system. Not AC.

Ibis Paris Porte Dorée, Has AC, I have been in the rooms.

Ibis Paris République, AC

Ibis Paris Avenue d'Italie, Not sure which one this is.. do you hav a street?

Ibis Paris Maine Montparnasse No AC or cooled air

Ibis Paris Tour Montparnasse, AC

WillTravel Feb 18th, 2004 11:32 AM

Thanks very much Morgan. That was very helpful. Don't worry about the Place d'Italie one - it isn't that well-located anyways.

Now I'm wondering about the relative quality of Ibis in Paris. The one we stayed at in Gothenburg, Sweden was really a joy to behold. It was shining, sparkling clean, and it was set in a moored boat overlooking the river. It was as small as a cruiseship cabin, but that wasn't an issue. Somehow I suspect the Paris ones might not be as nice. Can anyone comment?

MorganB Feb 18th, 2004 12:58 PM

The only one I have been in recently is the one at Porte Doree. Since it was a mom and pop hotel that IBIS bought last fall it was completely gutted and renovated. It is nice , nothing luxury but nice and very clean. It is also not your usual IBIS in the sense that it in a bldg from the beginning of the century rather than a modern building. It does not look out onto a charming canal however :)

However, I have been in some hotels of the Accor group that are desperately in need of renovating. I slept in a Mercure that had boards under the matresses! I also stayed in an IBIS in Annecy that felt like a cell block. It was fairly dreadful. I would be inclined to find out when they were last renovated before planning on staying. Not sure how you would go about that other than calling the hotel or asking here if someone has stayed there.

BTW on the priceline topic. The Sofitel Bercy on priceline is very very nice. My parents have stayed there twice. It is in a fun new neighborhood with access to some good restaurants and a large cinema in the outdoor shopping street nearby. There is also a very nice park. But everything is very modern. There are no older bldgs so it doesnt really exude the Paris charm that you may be looking for.

WillTravel Feb 18th, 2004 01:07 PM

Thanks again Morgan. How remote is the Sofitel Bercy from touristy things?

Charm is nice, but I do really like modern buildings with dependable plumbing, hot water, and air conditioning. :-)

SRS Feb 18th, 2004 01:35 PM


Another hotel with air conditioning that works is Relais Bosquet in the 7th. We were there in August and the a/c was so powerful, we had to get up at night to turn it off before we turned into ice cubes.

The website is:

I don't know what your price range is but I think it runs around 140-170 Euro for a superior, less for a standard. The website will tell you. We had a superior. I wrote a review of it. If you search for it or click on my name, you'll see it.

Best wishes,

MorganB Feb 18th, 2004 03:59 PM

The Sofitel Bercy is a short walk from the entry to the Line 14 which is the high speed east west metro line. It is a 4 minute trip once you have borded the car to the Chatelet station. From there you can get virtually anywhere in Paris. Trains go every 2 to 3 minutes on the line 14. The stops areBiblioteque, Cours St Emillion (where the hotel is), Gare de Lyon, Chatelet, Pyramid, Madeline, and Gare St Lazare.

From Pyramid its about a 5 to 10 minute walk to the Louvre and the old Opera House. St Lazare is near the big department stores. If you want to go to the Luxembourg or St Germain you would change at Chatelet. You can get many places from there in about 15 minutes because the line 14 is so fast. Just really depends on where you are going...

WillTravel Feb 29th, 2004 12:31 AM

As mentioned on other threads, I booked the Mercure Raspail at 207 Boulevard Raspail for 85 Euros per night:

I never found an efficient method to search. I just looked through hundreds of hotel descriptions on various sites, wrote to hotels to confirm details, searched this site and the web for any comments and reviews, and posted questions.

Sites used include:

One tip when using the site - you can't tell the rate from the amounts listed next to the hotel. If the hotel looks interesting, do a check for your time period. The Mercure Raspail lists a higher rate than I actually got. I noticed the same thing with Ibis and so on.

My remaining question is whether to continue to try to bid on Priceline at the 4* level in the St. Germain - Latin Quarter - Montparnasse zone. So far I have gotten a counteroffer for $119, which means a lower amount might be accepted - possibly $110 or so. I haven't been able to undercut this yet with my lowball offers, and the Priceline rate might drop as the actual dates move closer.

If I did proceed and ultimately succeed, the odds are that I would get either Le Meridien Montparnasse or Sofitel Forum Rive Gauche, but I wouldn't know ahead of time which it would be. (Another hotel could pop up, but that is unlikely in my opinion, given my fairly extensive research about the available hotels in this zone.) My concern is how either of these compare in terms of night-time temperature and comfort. Those two are both concrete-block construction built in the 1970s, and the Mercure Raspail is a restored Haussmann-style building with individual air conditioning units.

Also, how about location? I know either of those two 4* hotels would be "nicer" than the 2* Mercure, but my main criteria at this point are location and A/C.

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