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Una Nov 18th, 2002 08:18 AM

What is the difference between dove and pidgeon?

Audubon Nov 18th, 2002 08:33 AM

Pidgeon is the last name of Walter, an old movie star.<BR><BR>Pigeon is the bird/fowl; i.e. carrier, etc.

Therese Nov 18th, 2002 08:36 AM

My favorite example of the Italians pronouncing English brand names according to Italian phonetics is &quot;Coppertone&quot;, the sun screen. I've actually had difficulty convincing some Italians that this is not an Italian brand, as it sounds just fine in Italian (and means something like a big blanket or tarp, albeit spelled with only one &quot;p&quot; in Italian, and so would be just fine for the name of a sun screen).<BR><BR>Colgate also sounds pretty funny when pronounced with three syllables.

Alice Twain Nov 18th, 2002 09:14 AM

Therese (just like Therese Malausseine?):<BR><BR>Yu know? I am not even sure how is Colgate pronounced in English. I can easily pronounce &quot;coppertone&quot; (on the whole the name of the brand is composed of two rather common words), but Colgate... It is Colgate to me, I mean pronounced in Italian!!! I can't think of any other way of pronouncing it, no more than I would be able to pronounce an Italian word in English!

xxx Nov 18th, 2002 11:06 AM

<BR><BR>On the topic of the way Italians pronounce English, I think one of the most endearing things is the way so many seem to add a short &quot;a&quot; on to the ends of a lot of English words. I remember our bus tour guide in Rome pointing out walls that were built to defend against the &quot;Barbarian attacks-a.&quot;

Therese Nov 18th, 2002 11:55 AM

<BR><BR>Alice:<BR><BR>Colgate in English is pronounced as if it were another two common words, &quot;cold&quot; and &quot;gate&quot;, except that you leave out the &quot;d&quot; in &quot;cold&quot;. It's also the name of a university in upstate New York, by the way. <BR><BR>For the non-italophones on the forum, the Italians say Colgate as cole-GAH-tay (more or less). <BR><BR>Oh, and &quot;Therese Malausseine&quot; is not ringing any bells for me. A literary reference? Bringing up the question of your choice of names, presumably somehow connected to Mark Twain.

Alice twain Nov 19th, 2002 10:02 AM

Cold gate?! you just opened whole new horizons to me! I am honest, I never cold have guesed about it ^_^<BR><BR>As for Therese Malaussene (there was an &quot;i&quot; too much inmy previous spelling), that's one character in the lovely Daniel Pennac &quot;Malaussene&quot; serie (http://tinyurl.com/2u0x).


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