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itssocialismstupic Dec 28th, 2000 12:46 PM

Does anyone really care what Europeans think about Bush, the electoral college, etc.?
 
I don't.

american Dec 28th, 2000 12:51 PM

Not only do I care, I think it goes to his ability to be a good President. How effective of a leader can he be if Dubyah has no respect from Europe or any other foreign country for that matter? He is not educated about foreign cultures and i doubt if he understands them as he has had no real travel experience. I for one do not want to live isolated and cut off from the rest of the world, I would hope the leader of the free world, the President and the country who is the leader , USA, received respect fromt he other countries aand especially Europe!

Anonymous Dec 28th, 2000 01:09 PM

How many times did Harry Truman travel overseas prior to becoming president? How many foreign languages does Bill Clinton speak? How sensitive was Lyndon Johnson to European culture? And, on another subject, how many times will we have to use our military to defend European interests?

Susan Dec 28th, 2000 01:16 PM

I don't usually enter into these questions - but ENOUGH ALREADY!!! After a municipal election in Toronto, a national election in Canada and the election in the US, I'm SICK OF IT. (And yes, I'm shouting.)

Liz@work Dec 28th, 2000 01:39 PM

American: <BR> <BR>Where is your proof that Bush has no respect for Europe? Give me a break. Admit that you don't like the man and get it over with. Or at least have the intellectual honesty to state that it is your OPINION that Bush "has no respect for Europe" rather than stating it as fact.

American Dec 28th, 2000 01:51 PM

Sorry Liz@work you got me there! I guess I assumed (always a bad move) that because Bush was not well-travelled had not truly experienced the culture of Europe, he didn't respect it. Guess I should have said "I wish he Europe enough to learn about the culture first hand." It's not that I don't like Bush as a matter of fact I believe several of his policies and platforms could be very effective. I just believe that the country could do with a candidate who wishes to learn as much about other cultures as possible and is not so isolated.

Liz@work Dec 28th, 2000 02:02 PM

Thanks, American and you make a lot of good points. If I had the money that Bush has, I think I would have spent my entire life traveling through Europe! Some people are just not interested in travel or Europe as hard as it is to believe. My parents couldn't care less about Europe. But it doesn't mean they don't respect Europe or Europeans - that's just not where there interests lie. I believe Bush would be better off if he had more experience in that arena but I don't think it will prevent him from doing a good job. Just my two cents.

rob Dec 28th, 2000 02:04 PM

Ah Americans, <BR> <BR>Will you ever learn. <BR> <BR>First, without doubt, you elected the stupidest man running in your election. George Bush may have a "winning personality," but the man is a stump. <BR> <BR>Not only does he not care to understand the world around him, he can't even take the time to understand the world next door. <BR> <BR>During the election campaign, he was asked by one of the stars of a Canadian show that spoofs current affairs programs (This Hour Has 22 Minutes -- one of the funniest shows you'll ever see) what he thought about Canada's prime minister, "Jean Poutine." Of course, our PM is Jean Chretien and poutine is a (very yummy) french canadian dish made with french fries covered in cheese curds and gravy. <BR> <BR>Did dubyah catch the ruse? <BR> <BR>Of course not. He gave the usual shtick about Canada that all US presidents give. <BR> <BR>How can you trust this man to run your country? Better yet, how can you inflict him on the rest of the world? <BR> <BR>As a final note: No, America is not the only country in the world where a close election doesn't mean tanks in the street -- there are many... <BR> <BR>This is why non-Americans offer their opinions about the US election -- they view George Bush's ignorance as a microcosm of a greater problem many (though certainly not all) Americans demonstrate re. other cultures and countries. <BR> <BR>Stop the navel gazing... <BR> <BR>Love each and every one of ya, <BR> <BR>Rob

xxx Dec 28th, 2000 02:51 PM

Wow, Rob! Did that make you feel better about yourself? I guess you didn't know that opinions of Canadians are as worthless as tits on a bull.

European Dec 28th, 2000 04:23 PM

Bush is bad for America but good for the world--he's such a donkey, it's laughable and doesn't do much for America's reputation. Anyway, it's about time the world gets re-balanced and America understands that it's not the only big boy on the planet. American colonialism is tiring and dangerous.

nancy Dec 28th, 2000 05:32 PM

Rob, <BR>don't blame Bush on me!! or infact on the 50% of us who did *not* vote for him.

Art Dec 28th, 2000 05:39 PM

I have stayed out of this also. Again we had to vote for the lesser of two bad choices. At least we know who Bush is. I have seen at least 5 different Gore's in the pas 8 years. I have no idea who he is as he keeps re-inventing himself. Quite frankly, he scared me more than Bush did. <BR>

enough... Dec 28th, 2000 05:48 PM

ok.. <BR>first of all, this is a post about what EUROPEANS think of our president, not CANADIANS. most americans that i know, all well educated and somewhat well traveled, could give a rats ass what our neighbors to the north think of us or our politicians. We view you as similar to mexico, a nice, relatively local place to visit. <BR>SEcond, those of you criticizing GWB for not travelling enough, in light of the fact that he grew up rich, would be the first ones to criticize him if he HAD travelled the world on Daddy's purse strings. <BR>third, <BR>PLEASE TELL ME WHAT INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE BILL CLINTON HAD GOING INTO HIS FIRST TERM AS PRESIDENT. HE HAD BEEN GOVERNOR OF A MINOR, BACKWATER, HICK STATE WITH THE WORST RECORD ON EDUCATION IN THE COUNTRY, AND A DISMAL ECONOMY. <BR>I am serious, i would like any clinton loving Dem to tell me what his foreign experience was. (and you can't count his draft dodging days as a college student in London.) <BR> <BR>Any international travel that slick willie has done has been done while president, at the expense of the taxpayers.

american Dec 29th, 2000 05:21 AM

enough [email protected] <BR> <BR>Bill Clinton just a backwoods governor as you put it. Please take time to know a few things about history and current events before you speak. Bill Clinton studied abroad in Europe during college, I beleive it was Oxford but it may have been Cambridge where he was a Rhodes Scholar a highest achievement. In addition he traveled a great deal while studying in Europe. I hope you take note of this in addition to your lack of knowledge and please think before you speak again.

Another Canadian Dec 29th, 2000 06:14 AM

To enough, you may be well educated and not give a rats ass (your words) what your neighbours think about you or your politicians, but you obviously didn't read the title of this post. It is NOT what Europeans think about Bush, blah blah blah, but 'does anyone really care what Europeans think about Bush'. As a Canadian, I'm in the 'anyone' category - and I don't care what Europeans think about Bush. <BR> <BR>And to xxx, the other American genius, expressing my opinion does make me feel better, even though it may be 'as worthless as tits on a bull'. <BR>

april Dec 29th, 2000 06:44 AM

Again, you are all using this site to drone on and on about a political issue. At least the person starting this thread attempted to disguise their real intent by adding the twist of "what Europeans think..." but never the less, we are still talking about the election and American politics. It's over. I'm not happy with who our President-elect is either, but enough already. There has got to be more interesting subjects to discuss than whether Bush is a dork or not. <BR>Here's a travel related question...Do you think the choice of Bush as President will now affect whether Europeans choose to travel to the United States?

Buyer Dec 29th, 2000 09:19 AM

Well April, if our economy takes a turn for the worst and we get this trillion dollar tax cut that GWB is pushing for and we plunge into a horrible deficit then our dollar will spiral down against European currency and we should see a rise in overseas visitors and a slowing down of Americans to Europe.

anono Dec 29th, 2000 10:38 AM

Buyer: I will grant you that your moniker conveys the doom and negtivity that appear in your posts. Forgive me if I missed the posts where you were optimistic and sunny, but those of your posts that I have reviewed appear to be negative or critical. Wouldn't you agree that with a tax cut, perhaps we would have a few more dollars in our pocket with which to travel. Or do you subscribe to the theory that the government can spend my money better than you can? Granted, tax cuts need to be timed properly, but you make it sound as if a tax cut is bad.

xyz Dec 29th, 2000 10:48 AM

A tax cut is bad right now. Hello, in case you haven't noticed we are headed for a recession and a tax cut will only further this. By the way I prefer not to choose a government which benefits ME but rather a government that would benefit the country as a whole. I am upper middle class and while a tax cut and investing my own social security dollars is good for me, I would never vote for it. there are many more whom it would not benefit. We should try to make our country stronger overall and in the long run we will all prosper. I fthis means th government must help some now with my tax dollars so be it!

notwealthy Dec 29th, 2000 10:52 AM

Tax cuts only seem to help those who already have plenty of money. The middle class and the working poor aren't going to benefit by anything Bush and his frat-boy cronies have up their sleeves, I assure you. <BR> <BR>And the UK press thinks Bush will harm us in all kinds of ways. See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_electio...415400,00.html


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