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loisco Aug 24th, 2006 07:18 PM

Does anyone know this sculpture in Rome
 
My friend just told me about something called...Moses in the Horn????...said it's in a church. She didn't know which one.

She raved about it..

Thanks

unaS Aug 24th, 2006 07:24 PM

I think that she means Moses (with horns)by Michaelangelo
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Yes, it is in a small church very near to the Coliseum - actually between the Forum and the Coesseum.

It is called the Church of San Pietro in Vincoli (The Chirch of St. Peter in Chains) on Via dei Fori Imperiali.

Definitely worth seeing!

unaS Aug 24th, 2006 07:26 PM

Sorry! Sincere apologies for the typos. I was looking at my album and trying to type without looking at the keyboard :((

OReilly Aug 24th, 2006 07:26 PM

http://www.cptryon.org/hoagland/trav...ins/moses.html

I think this is it. The church is St Peter in Chains, the sculpture is by Michelangelo.

Regards Ger

unaS Aug 24th, 2006 07:39 PM

Yes, that's it.

In Hebrew, the words "karni or" can be translated as "rays of light" or "horns of light".

Karnaim can be translated as either rays or horns, depending on the context.

The original Hebrew intention of course is 'rays', but was mistranslated somewhere along the line, either by the Greeks or early Latin translators.

OReilly Aug 24th, 2006 07:43 PM

Try Una, the horns are actually "rays" of enlightenment(?).

ajftuba Aug 24th, 2006 08:03 PM

I am a big fan, San Pietro in Vincoli is a bit of a walk (I did it cranky on an empty stomach, I don't recommend it) but it is very much worth it. Moses is on Pope Julius's tomb for which Michelangelo was basically in indentured servitude to Julius for for years (when he wanted to be working on the David, I believe). The tomb also includes the Rachel and the Leah, which are justly not famous (bleh, boring), but the Moses is very powerful. There were many other statues intended to be part of this tomb, including the Captives, which you can see if you go see the David in the Accademia in Florence. The Captives are spectacular giants trying to push their way out of the rock and I'm not sure why they're not in San Pietro with the Moses. If you're looking for more Michelangelo, the Medici tomb is pretty spectacular too, there are half-a-dozen mythic figures as well as portraits of the Medicis (and he did not do a lot of portraits) and it is well worth looking for, I believe it is the Medici Chapel in San Lorenzo (if you are in Florence, that is, all my favorite Michelangelos are in Florence). I'll stop now but it's always fun to find stuff a little off the beaten path. Enjoy!

unaS Aug 24th, 2006 09:49 PM

Sorry Ger, I really didn't understand that question.

If you mean the Hebrew no, not enlightenment; real, literal light. The light of God if you will.

italy06 Aug 24th, 2006 10:52 PM

I just back from Italy and decided to read "The Agony and The Ecstasy." It's a fantastic read about Michelangelo and made me realize all the things we didn't see while in Florence and Rome - including Moses in The Church of St. Peter in Chains. There is never enough time. Can't wait to go back! I highly recommend the Medici Tombs as well. Considering how politically turbulent the times were for artists during Michelangelo's lifetime, his legacy is amazing.

missypie Aug 25th, 2006 05:49 AM

As you're trying to find the church, look up. We were "there" according to our map, but obviously weren't there. The church is on a block that is elevated above everything else. There are stairs to get there.

missypie Aug 25th, 2006 05:52 AM

One more thing: Save your change for when you visit the churches. I believe that to turn on the lights to illuminate Moses, it takes a .50 euro coin. No one seemed to have this denomination, so we all sort of waited around; finally, a guide giving a couple a private tour had correct change.

Lots of the churches seem to take any change, or no change, but I think this church only took that particular coin.

ira Aug 25th, 2006 06:04 AM

>If you mean the Hebrew no, not enlightenment; real, literal light. The light of God if you will.<

It can also be translated (not literally) as "his face shone" (with rays of light).

((I))

loisco Aug 25th, 2006 12:36 PM

It's now on my itinerary! Thanks.

massagediva Aug 25th, 2006 01:16 PM

Then afterwards,you can sneak around the corner to Osteria da Nerone for lunch.

unaS Aug 25th, 2006 01:39 PM

Wish I had known about that then :))


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