Do you think you know the surname of Princes William and Harry?
Feb 12th, 2007, 07:16 PM
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Do you think you know the surname of Princes William and Harry?
I thought it was Windsor. Would you believe Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxe-Co...sh_Royal_House
(How do they fit that on a driver's license?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxe-Co...sh_Royal_House
(How do they fit that on a driver's license?)
Feb 12th, 2007, 08:03 PM
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The family took the name Windsor (after the castle) at the beginning of WW1, least there be any doubt regarding their loyalty (all minor German royalty, every side since George 1st). Victoria's husband and male heirs were Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. The present queen married Philip Mountbatten. (The Mountbattens changed their name from the original Battenberg at the outset of WW1 and Phillip probably has about as much Greek blood in his background as I do - none!). Prince Philip is a member of the Danish Royal House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg.
Almost all-European royalty is predominantly Germanic and all their own first cousins.
The reason the British Royal family has such an odd accent is that the “family language” was German up until WW1.
The current queen’s father broke ranks and married someone who was not directly related to him (Elizabeth Lyons-Bowes); I may be wrong, but I think the Queen Mum was the first non-Germanic blood in the line since before George 1st.
For an hilarious account of the background of European royalty, read Royal Babylon. The gene pool is VERY small, which explains a LOT!
http://tinyurl.com/2emhju
Almost all-European royalty is predominantly Germanic and all their own first cousins.
The reason the British Royal family has such an odd accent is that the “family language” was German up until WW1.
The current queen’s father broke ranks and married someone who was not directly related to him (Elizabeth Lyons-Bowes); I may be wrong, but I think the Queen Mum was the first non-Germanic blood in the line since before George 1st.
For an hilarious account of the background of European royalty, read Royal Babylon. The gene pool is VERY small, which explains a LOT!
http://tinyurl.com/2emhju
Feb 12th, 2007, 08:11 PM
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Not necessarily. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountba...batten-Windsor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountba...batten-Windsor
Feb 12th, 2007, 08:18 PM
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BTW, I THINK I read that Charles has decided to keep the name Windsor, which is a good idea.
I am not sure the title of King Charles of the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg would be acceptable to most.
It should, of course, be the house of Stuart. Here is a toast to "The King over the Water"
I am not sure the title of King Charles of the house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg would be acceptable to most.
It should, of course, be the house of Stuart. Here is a toast to "The King over the Water"
Feb 13th, 2007, 03:33 AM
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Ah, this old chestnut.
The Queen etc haven't got surnames. They have titles. They may use adopted names for convenience (eg William calls himself William Wales in the army) but they don't have surnames in the accepted sence - they also have house names tudor, plantagenet, windsor etc but these rean't surnames either.
The Queen etc haven't got surnames. They have titles. They may use adopted names for convenience (eg William calls himself William Wales in the army) but they don't have surnames in the accepted sence - they also have house names tudor, plantagenet, windsor etc but these rean't surnames either.
Feb 13th, 2007, 05:04 AM
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"However, an Order-in-Council in 1960 again separated the Royal House name and the personal family surname of the monarch and her family. It decreed that while the Royal House name would remain Windsor, <b>the descendants of Queen Elizabeth II and of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh would use the surname Mountbatten-Windsor. However, Prince Philip belongs to the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, and, technically, <u>so will his descendants in the male line.</u></b>"
So Hank & Bill will retain the Mountbatten-Windsor surname, but their house(s) will be S-H-S-G.
There. That's settled.
So Hank & Bill will retain the Mountbatten-Windsor surname, but their house(s) will be S-H-S-G.
There. That's settled.
Feb 13th, 2007, 07:27 AM
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I thought it only fair to go to The Top on this one (http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5657.asp - still a bit disturbed that The Queen has a website).
According to my Leader:
"For the most part, members of the Royal Family who are entitled to the style and dignity of HRH Prince or Princess do not need a surname, but if at any time any of them do need a surname (such as upon marriage), that surname is Mountbatten-Windsor."
Even though Philip is a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, I don't believe this has any bearing on the offspring, as Queen trumps Duke, so what she says goes.
According to my Leader:
"For the most part, members of the Royal Family who are entitled to the style and dignity of HRH Prince or Princess do not need a surname, but if at any time any of them do need a surname (such as upon marriage), that surname is Mountbatten-Windsor."
Even though Philip is a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, I don't believe this has any bearing on the offspring, as Queen trumps Duke, so what she says goes.
Feb 13th, 2007, 08:52 AM
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She's the direct descendent of William The Bastard isn't she? And he was Duke of Normady (it's always Duke BTW never Duchess for some reason).
From the horses mouth....
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page2018.asp
From the horses mouth....
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page2018.asp
May 17th, 2007, 05:22 PM
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I know Edward, the youngest son, calls himself Edward Windsor. He did a series of documentaries about England and also his uncle and I saw them on PBS. When they ran the credits, it was a film by Edward Windsor.
