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scrb11 Jul 28th, 2019 10:42 AM

Did I just encounter acqua alta?
 
Arrived in Venice just before 2 PM. Previous night was in Pienza where there were heavy thunderstorms throughout the night before my departure from there. I could see about ankle deep water running outside on the sidewalks.

I checked the Weather Underground app. which showed over an inch of rain in the forecast. It had gone up from about 1/3 to 1/2 an inch earlier in the week. Then I checked the forecast for Venice and saw that it was suppose have even heavier rains there.

At one point the app. showed 5.71 inches for the day before I was to arrive there!

When I did arrive, there was some light sprinkles so it wasn't a problem to get from the train station to buy the vaporetto pass and get on line 1 to get to the place where I'd be staying, an apt. near Sant'Angelo vaporetto.

The owner met me at the vaporetto stop and showed me to the apt. I asked her about the rains and she said it rained a lot but not atypical in the summer. I said I saw a forecast of almost 12 to 15 centimeters. She said she didn't know about that but they do experience acqua alta in November where the water can go hip high. They said they rebuilt the foundation of this 18th century building where the apt. was so that water doesn't seep into the building from underneath.

So I didn't think much of it, got something to eat, walked around a bit, returned to the apt. and rested before going out again just before 7 PM. Soon as I stepped out of the building,the little alley which this building is on was flooding, about an inch or two, didn't cover it up entirely but water was coming in. I stepped around and went to pick up some things, grab a quick bite.

While waiting around for the vaporetto, I found that high tide was expected around 10:30 PM and that high tide would be about 2 feet higher than low tide which would be around 4 AM.

When I returned, the whole alley way was more than ankle deep. So I took off my shoes and socks -- fortunately was wearing shorts -- and gingerly walked. The front door of the building had this metal hatch flipped up, covering the lower foot of the front door. I opened the door and stepped over it.

I noticed nearly alleys also running perpendicular to the Grand Canal weren't flooding. So it seems this particular alley wasn't built to withstand high tides that well.

But I don't know if this is typical or because of the heavy rains the night before. It did seem like the water level of the Grand Canal was higher than I remember it being, but my previous visit was several years ago so I'm not sure.

This website which forecasts high tide predicts even higher high tides the next 3 days ...

bvlenci Jul 28th, 2019 12:10 PM

I don't think there's ever been acqua alta in the summer. It caused by a combination of high tides and strong winds, not by rain.

However, I see that there was a moderately high tide today.

StCirq Jul 28th, 2019 12:32 PM

No.

hetismij2 Jul 28th, 2019 01:02 PM

You are coming up to a Spring tide (august 1) so the tides will be getting higher over the next couple of days. The wind will affect things too.

Peter_S_Aus Jul 28th, 2019 06:20 PM

Venice has been contour mapped to a contour interval of one centimetre. The heights are relative to the tidal datum point, which is right beside the salute.
The Piazza is the lowest point in Venice, and that keeps whoever supplies mops to Quadri in business. Although the Piazza sees water frequently, and that counts as acqua, but acqua alta, not so much.

link to the contour map.
altimetry

scrb11 Jul 28th, 2019 10:32 PM

I guess San Marco is what people associate with acqua alta.

Alley is clear this morning so just have to anticipate it will be covered in the evenings and night.


hetismij2 Jul 28th, 2019 10:51 PM

If it is because of the tide it will fill twice a day at the moment. If it was because of heavy rain draining through it it may not happen again.

Peter_S_Aus Jul 28th, 2019 11:20 PM

Get the app “water on venice floor”. Gives a map of areas that will be inundated at high tide.

scrb11 Jul 29th, 2019 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Peter_S_Aus (Post 16961213)
Get the app “water on venice floor”. Gives a map of areas that will be inundated at high tide.

Hmm doesn't show any red areas right now.

Cowboy1968 Jul 29th, 2019 07:50 AM

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Just in case you have not found this website / pdf yourself already:
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You are on "code yellow". Which is just one level up from "normal/ green".

The reason your app does not show "red areas" (yet) is that it's still four hours to high tide at 21:40hrs (with 85cms tide tonite)

scrb11 Jul 29th, 2019 09:07 AM

Well at 7 PM, there are no puddles in the alley.

24 hours ago, the puddles were forming.

Cowboy1968 Jul 29th, 2019 10:07 AM

Because the high tide is not coming at the same hour but a bit later every day.

scrb11 Jul 29th, 2019 01:02 PM

11 PM, the alleyway is dry.

Peter_S_Aus Jul 29th, 2019 02:25 PM

Interesting. Tell us which calle your apartment is in, and I can check the street level. A tide of 85cm will put a bit of water into the north side of the Piazza, where the lowest levels are around 72cm.

scrb11 Jul 29th, 2019 10:33 PM

Calle Traghetto. But supposedly there are 9 of them.

This is the one near the Fortuny museum.

Peter_S_Aus Jul 29th, 2019 11:24 PM

If it is the Calle Traghetto in San Marco, levels range from 95 to 130. Tides of 95 are not uncommon, 130 is going to wet quite a few feet and put 60 centimetres of water around Quadri’s chairs.

scrb11 Nov 15th, 2019 05:39 AM

Sad to hear the worst flooding in 50 years.

For just the 6th time in its history Basilica San Marco has been flooded. Four of those six times have been in the last 20 years.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/europ...ntl/index.html

Jean Nov 15th, 2019 07:48 AM

We were in Venice on one of those occasions when the basilica was flooded. Thankfully, the water receded within a few hours. The event this past week is just terrible, and I feel so bad for the Venetians. I hope the MOSE project can now, finally get completed, but it's unclear whether the barriers engineered decades ago will be sufficient to deal with rising sea levels in the years to come.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/11/14/...-venice-floods

annhig Nov 17th, 2019 01:20 PM

I left Venice on Monday morning, the day before the terrible acqua alta arrived. We'd had a bit for a couple of days, but nothing worse than a bit of water lapping over the Fondamente and some of the vaporetti cancelled with shuttle boats put on where the vaporetti couldn't get under the bridges. Then on Tuesday night the acqua alta and the storm struck creating the worst flooding in Venice since 1966. Friends still there have been posting photos but nothing can really convey the awfulness of what has happened. And there are still high tides forecast for this week making the clearing up difficult to start. MOSE is a disaster and Venice will probably have disappeared below the waves before they finish it. Words cannot convey how dreadful it is.

scrb11 Nov 17th, 2019 04:11 PM

Well the delays in the construction of the MOSE project or whatever they call it to protect against rising sea levels is way past original schedule and I saw a reference that corruption probably is at least partly responsible for the state of the project.


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