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Fishnlines29 Feb 24th, 2017 05:50 PM

Daytime flights - US East Coast to Paris?
 
Do airlines run daytime flights anymore from NY or Philly to Paris? I can't seem to find any online so I'm hoping someone can direct me to an airline that might offer it.
Thanks.

travelchat Feb 24th, 2017 06:06 PM

There's a day time flight from Newark to London but I know of none to Paris. Consider taking that and hop on the Eurostar to Paris? It would be a long day but minus the jet lag.

HappyTrvlr Feb 24th, 2017 06:44 PM

London to Boston in daytime too.

greg Feb 24th, 2017 08:46 PM

What is a "daytime" flight? One that flies without flying through the night?
If you do a simple math, you find near impossibility of such flight.

New York to Paris non-stop flight is more than 7 hours in duration. You can easily find this by looking at the proposed itineraries displayed at most booking sites.

Paris is 6 hours ahead of New York.

Adding together, 6+7=13 hours. This means even if there happens to be a non-stop flight leaving New York at 6 A.M. New York time, the plane arrives in Paris at 7 P.M. Paris time. Right now, sun rises in New York around 6:30 A.M. So, you will be leaving New York before the sunrise. Also, right now, the sunset in Paris is around 6:30 P.M. So, you will be arriving in Paris after sun set.

Until the day gets longer, it is physically not possible to fly New York - Paris without hitting night somewhere on the way.

Also, for business people, this is a colossal waste of time by killing a whole day. Most flights on this route leave New York mid to late evening to allow people to work until departure in New York if it is a weekday and arrive in Paris early in the morning at the beginning of their business day to start work as soon as they get there if it is a workday.

socialworker Feb 24th, 2017 09:09 PM

We did a daytime flight once Boston-London and I had the worst jet lag I've ever had.

michelhuebeli Feb 24th, 2017 09:24 PM

Greg, sorry mate, your math is flawed. For the flights below you'd add one hour for Paris, still doable for dinner and a good night's sleep in a comfortable bed on arrival.

Air Canada flies from YYZ to LHR, lvg 08:40 ar 20:30

UAL flies EWR-LHR lv 08:30 ar 20:30

AA/BA BOS-LHR 08:10 ar LHR 19:30

UAL IAD-LHR 08:35 ar 20:50

Iberia JFK-LHR 08:30 ar 20:15

Iberia JFK-LHR 10:20 ar 22:10

Gardyloo Feb 25th, 2017 05:16 AM

My (sometimes faulty) memory has it that there was once a daytime flight to Paris (I keep thinking United from Dulles) but it didn't last long due to low demand.

A high percentage of transatlantic travel involves domestic connections through an east coast gateway - New York, Washington, etc. - and onward connections in Europe through a major hub - London, Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt etc. An early morning departure from the east coast means connecting passengers have to take red-eyes to be there in time, and onward connections in Europe involve spending the night in London, so two nights are being burned instead of one. East coast - London has enough "origin-destination" (O-D) demand, i.e. people only going from one to the other, not farther, to justify the daytime flights.

<i>Iberia JFK-LHR 08:30 ar 20:15
Iberia JFK-LHR 10:20 ar 22:10</i>

Those are codeshare flight nos. - 8:30 is on BA metal and 10:20 is on AA. AA doesn't fly from Boston to London anymore.

American has a nonstop from Chicago to London, 8:55 AM to 10:40 PM, and Virgin Atlantic also has a daytime JFK-LHR flight.

Sarastro Feb 25th, 2017 05:33 AM

<i>Greg, sorry mate, your math is flawed. For the flights below you'd add one hour for Paris, still doable for dinner </i>


michelhuebeli - I don´t see where Greg´s math is wrong at all. If we add 1 hour time zone change for Paris from London, another 15 to 20 minutes for the additional flight time, add another 90 to 120 minutes for immigration, baggage claim, customs, and and a taxi into Paris, the restaurants will be long past serving times.

Sure there are late night restaurants but it´s hardly practical. And if we assume someone rises in New York for an early departure from from EWR or JFK, flies the 6 hours or so to Paris. are you absolutely sure he will be ready for a good night´s sleep upon arrival?

I am not seeing the logic here.

But the real reason why there are virtually no daytime east bound departures would be explained by the potential financial loss to an airline resulting from the underutilization of their capital equipment or aircraft. Aircraft are assets that represent a lot of investment and these assets only make money when they are airborne.

If an aircraft arrives at a European airport late in the evening, by the time it would be ready to return westbound, it would be 1 or 2 in the morning. There would be no inbound flights to feed the following transatlantic departure and very few local passengers. The equipment would very likely set dormant and unproductive until the next morning.

Scheduling eastbound departures in the late afternoon and turning them for westbound departures the next morning keeps aircraft utilized and keeps the airline´s capital assets productive, a lot more productive than implementing any other scheduling scenario.

kerouac Feb 25th, 2017 05:33 AM

The only daytime return to Paris was by Concorde and that ended in 2003.

Nikki Feb 25th, 2017 05:50 AM

Maybe I am hallucinating but I remember a daytime flight from Boston to Paris some years ago, maybe on American. Or maybe it was just to London, not Paris.

I much, much prefer daytime flights, I can deal with the time change much better. Spending a night on a redeye is extremely unpleasant for me, and I can almost never sleep. But these days it appears to be the only way to get from here to there.

flanneruk Feb 25th, 2017 06:28 AM

"I am not seeing the logic here"

Possibly not.

But BA, Virgin, United, American and Air Canada have no problem seeing the commercial logic in daytime eastbound transatlantic flights to London (precisely the same flight time as Paris) from North America's east coast.

And those of us who use them have no difficulty seeing the benefit to passengers. You can work throughout the flight, go to bed and go straight to work (or start having fun), for most of us unjetlagged, the following morning.

rialtogrl Feb 25th, 2017 06:40 AM

I have friends in DC that take the daytime flight to London, spend a couple of days in London, then move on to wherever else they are going. They love it.

Thanks Michel for the list. I can't sleep on planes either, I would like to try this method.

Sarastro Feb 25th, 2017 07:04 AM

<i>But BA, Virgin, United, American and Air Canada have no problem seeing the commercial logic in daytime eastbound transatlantic flights to London (precisely </i>

Each company may have a departure or two but once the aircraft arrive in LHR it sits there, particularly those of US air carriers. These may be scheduled for recurring maintenance during the downtime and continue scheduled westbound flights the following morning.

I think that it would be a mistake to believe that there will be any large scale deployment of aircraft on daytime eastbound flights.

kmowatt Feb 25th, 2017 07:10 AM

Air Canada runs DAILY daytime flights to LHR and has for at least 10 years or more. I take this flight all the time and it is great for cutting jet lag. I agree that you "miss" out on a day and have to pay for another night accommodation but I think it's worth it. I have not seen any daytime service to Paris from Toronto though.

HappyTrvlr Feb 25th, 2017 07:20 AM

I We love daytime flights, leave US around 7:40am, arrive London 7:40 pm. Dinner and to bed. No jet lag on these flights for us. Also, we can fly Premium Economy both ways instead of Bus Class going over at night.

janisj Feb 25th, 2017 07:32 AM

greg is beyond wrong.

What is called a 'daytime flight' is one that takes off and lands on the same calendar date and there are several 'daytime' flights in to London from the eastern US/Canada.

MANY people (<i>including</i> business people) prefer the daytime flights which seem to make jet lag much more manageable. It is usually difficult to get on one because they tend to book up far in advance. Being on the west coast I am jealous of those on the east coast who can take day flights because ALL of our flights are obviously red eyes/overnight.

Of COURSE there are daytime frights to London, but not Paris AFAIK.

Fishnlines29 Feb 25th, 2017 07:36 AM

greg, yes that's exactly what I meant - NOT overnight, I wasn't focusing on when the sun rises and sets.

I have traveled to Europe on overnight flights and I am ALWAYS miserable. I would much prefer leaving on an early flight even if that gets me in at 8pm or whatever, I can go straight to bed and be refreshed in the morning.

Thank you for all those responding - it sounds like I'm not missing any airlines that might fly direct to Paris, oh well.

What do you all think of TravelChat's idea of direct to London, Eurostar to Paris? Maybe a bit too much? I might prefer the overnight to this option, but not sure.

Or as I'm thinking this through and reading rialtogrl's post, I could fly direct to London, spend the night there, meet with friends for breakfast before taking the train to Paris. Hmm, I have to put some thought into that idea!

janisj Feb 25th, 2017 07:41 AM

>>What do you all think of TravelChat's idea of direct to London, Eurostar to Paris? <<

Not really doable. You would land at LHR between 8 and 10 PM-ish and by the time you cleared Immigration and made it to St Pancras it would be too late for a Eurostar.

You could possibly book a late evening flight from LHR to CDG - but if your incoming flight was delayed you'd be out of luck.

Basically you'd have to book a night either at LHR or in Central London and travel on to Paris the next morning.

Fishnlines29 Feb 25th, 2017 07:42 AM

Yea, that might be the best option janisj. I could potentially spend the night in London and take the train the next day. Or just suck it up and do the overnight flight.

janisj Feb 25th, 2017 07:54 AM

Depends on if you want any time in London, and party on your budget. Often the daytime flights are costlier because they book up earlier.

. . . and on how badly an overnight flight affects you.


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