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eloise31 Mar 17th, 2006 03:08 PM

Daylight Savings Time in Europe
Does anyone know when DST begins in Europe? I know it doesn't necessarily correspond with the date the U.S. starts. Thanks for any help. We will be in Europe the first two weeks of April. Also, how is the best and least expensive way to get to Rothenburg from Munich? We have a eurorail pass. We were going to take a bus along the Romantic Road but per RS newsletter, the current bus company does a poor job and charges too much. We prefer not to rent a car but we could if it proved to be the best and most economical way. Thank you so much for any advice you may care to offer.

grsing Mar 17th, 2006 03:20 PM

It's called Summer Time, starts 25 March at 1 am (spring forward an hour then).

You might ask the second part of the question in a second posting, since the title won't attract people who could answer it.

grsing Mar 17th, 2006 03:21 PM

Sorry, meant to type 26 March (though it doesn't matter if you'll be there in April).

Musicteacher Mar 17th, 2006 05:39 PM

You can take a train from Munich to Rothenburg, and if you have a railpass with days left on it, you won't have to pay anything extra. It will take at least three hours with at least two changes of train, though.

Budman Mar 17th, 2006 05:51 PM

The U.S. starts DST at 2:00am on 2 April 2006. Europe starts its Summertime (DST) at 1:00am on 26 March 2006. In 2007 it's 11 March for the U.S. and 25 March for Europe. ((b))

Neopolitan Mar 18th, 2006 06:54 AM

And just for the record the correct term in the US is Daylight Saving (not Savings) Time.

Robespierre Mar 18th, 2006 07:57 AM

To follow the convention, it should be Daylight-Saving Time (with a hyphen, like "nit-picking").

Neopolitan Mar 18th, 2006 08:02 AM

But it's not with a hyphen according to the official website.

It has been suggested that it should really be called "Daylight Changing Time" since no daylight is actually saved, but that's another issue.

Robespierre Mar 18th, 2006 08:07 AM

The Official Website is not a rule-follower. The convention in English is to use a hyphen in this construction.

Neopolitan Mar 18th, 2006 08:21 AM

Well there are major grammarians who would disagree with you on that.

Here's an interesting link to a section called "Do you over hyphenate", if you'd care to read it carefully.

Neopolitan Mar 18th, 2006 08:24 AM

Meanwhile, I'm VERY sorry I brought up the correction from savings to saving.

Robespierre Mar 18th, 2006 09:05 AM

My major grammarians can lick your major grammarians:

<i>&quot;A compound modifier should be hyphenated in a position before a noun (e.g., a &quot;labor-intensive activity&quot;)</i> [Or &quot;daylight-saving time.]<i>. It should be left open in predicate adjective position (e.g., &quot;The activity will be labor intensive.&quot;).&quot;</i>

Budman Mar 18th, 2006 09:50 AM

Should the acronym then read &quot;D-ST&quot;? :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist. ((b))

Neopolitan Mar 18th, 2006 09:58 AM

I really don't care. As an English major in college one thing I DID learn is that major grammarians will never agree. It makes little difference in my world. The link I provided explained why your example is different -- the possiblity of confusion does not exist with the lack of a hyphen in our orignal example. It does exist in your labor-intensive activity example. Two different things. I read your link. It does not specifically address participles, (like saving) in our original example. There is a slight difference between your &quot;compound modifier&quot; of two adjectives used together and an adjective preceding a participle if you really want to do further research.

Here's a deal. You hyphenate it and I won't. I doubt the world will end as a result of it, and frankly neither of us will be wrong.

Robespierre Mar 18th, 2006 10:54 AM

I, too, was an English Major. (Before that, I was a French Lieutenant, but there was a problem with a woman - you may have heard about it.)

My original hyphenation post was intended to be jocular (note &quot;nit-picking&quot;). But since you seemed to think it was important, I held on through &quot;lick your major grammarians.&quot;

But now I'm Donne.

Neopolitan Mar 18th, 2006 11:20 AM

Isn't it funny, when someone brings up something nit-picky and always answers the other argument, he was simply joking. But the other person who only responds to the original arguments is supposed to be the one who &quot;thinks it is important&quot;. Hey, man, it's a two way street.

Meanwhile, what part of &quot;sorry I brought it up&quot; and &quot;I really don't care&quot; did you not understand? Obviously you cared just as much since you kept going to the trouble of doing further research as well. In fact you obviously cared more or you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place.

I hope All's Well That Ends Well with this Much Ado About Nothing.

Robespierre Mar 18th, 2006 11:35 AM

It is a tale told by an idiot (two, in this case)...

twohorse Mar 18th, 2006 03:23 PM

wow.. I could almost get a GED by reading this thread. I &quot;kind of&quot; feel smarter :)

wtz Mar 22nd, 2006 12:09 PM

Europe and Russia will start DST (Daylight Saving Time) = Summer Time on Sunday, March 26, 2006.

Check out web site below (

robjame Mar 26th, 2006 05:21 AM

Note that Europe is now on daylight savings so if you are phoning to France from EST zone add seven hours.
Daylight savings begins in North America April 2.

julia_t Mar 26th, 2006 05:35 AM

British Summer Time (BST) started at 1am this morning.

Wha-hay - lighter evenings!

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