dangerous in italy??

May 1st, 2007, 08:02 PM
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main dangers: overeating and excessive shopping

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May 1st, 2007, 08:31 PM
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No Kismet, the accused killer girls weren't Italians, they were "Roma" which is the term that is used to describe those of a certain ethnic group from Eastern Europe. The accused had been arrested before, she was 23, and her accomplice? 17 years old, a minor-also charged with murder. Of course, they said they were only defending themselves, that there was an "incident" but the prosecutors don't believe that. Anyway, it is a very rare event for something like that to happen in Italy, and it brings up issues regarding immigration policy, etc.

Yes, Annhg, I thought it so sad, and really awful that there were all these Italians around, and no one helped this poor girl, who was Italian, a local girl.
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May 2nd, 2007, 02:17 AM
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There has been research done on this business of people's not helping.
It's a matter of the psychology of crowds.
I remember one book The unresponsive bystander: why doesn't he help? by Bibb Latane.

As I remember it, if there had been just one person witnessing the attack, they would have been far more likely to intervene.

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May 2nd, 2007, 02:29 AM
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I guess we are spoiled living in rural Piedmont, crime may exist but we never see or hear of it. Of course all the old folk round here talk about the terrible cities in the "south".

Agree with all pov Italy is as safe as the rest of Europe, just keep your brain "in gear".
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May 2nd, 2007, 04:53 AM
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To kismetchimera: "Italy is being invaded by the Eastern's Europeans" What kind of thinking (if any!!) is that!

Might as well say: How dare they leave their country where they have no future and try to have a better life for themselves and a better future for their children?

Where are your from? USA? Well, if it is the case, your ancestors probably did leave from another country (UK or other) with the objective of building a better future for their children.

But its probably their fault, right? Amazing the idiocies you can hear/read...
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May 2nd, 2007, 06:31 AM
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<Palenque: So what happened to the gelato?? Squished on the street would be a tragdey!!>

yes it did squish flat as a pancake on the cobbles and that was the real disaster. When lapping gelato and walking be careful. Naples has a dicey reputation, especially the train station area and i was dazed and confused for a few minutes - i was right in front of the station but was asking locals where the train station was. I was vulnerable but only got lots of folks offering help.

I don't consider Italy 'dangerous' at all in the crime sense but like Mimi says dangers could lurk on the cobbles. Only the careless get pickpocketed or scammed... or those who are naive which is why when these questions come up i always point out what can happen in hopes that if folks know the problem, which is not unique to Italy, the problem is greatly lessened.

I've driven my car into Manhattan three times now and parked and have had it broken into three times. So it exists everywhere.
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May 2nd, 2007, 06:32 AM
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Travelingmad, I reckon your moniker says it all.
You're reading a great lot into a simple statement of fact. No need to get your knickers in a twist.
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May 2nd, 2007, 06:50 AM
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travelingmad,
get off your high horses..First of all my ancestors and my family are from Rome, and I am the only person that come to the US, this was a necessity for me considering that my husband is American.

second, I was just responding to gypsygirl statement and told her that perhaps the persons that were watching were not Italians..

Third, the people that committed the crime were Romanians.



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May 2nd, 2007, 07:07 AM
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It's my understanding that many if not most of the street crime is done by immigrants recently arrived... for the usual reasons... poverty, drug addiction or whatever. That's just the way it is and i'm not passing judgment on their presence and am sure there are many upstanding immigrants as well.
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May 2nd, 2007, 07:20 AM
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I do not have a problem with what are facts - the mugging, the crimes and the perpetrators and their origins.

The phrase I have an issue with is about the "invasion of east europeans", nothing else. Invasion?!?!?!

Italians left their country to settle in the USA (mostly in NY) and Canada (mostly in Montreal). The main difference with them compared to gypsies was that they were whites and catholics which help them in their new country. Even that did not stop many of them of creating such things as the "families", both in NY and Montreal.

And, to clear any confusion, I am the first generation of my family born in Canada. My father and mother were born and raised in Santa Lucia di Medina, Sicilia.

Simply carefully chose your words if you want to avoid "issues".
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May 2nd, 2007, 10:47 AM
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travelingmad,
You seems an intelligent and educate person , therefore you must be very familiar with Figurative Form of Speech, thus if I say : "I am so hungry I could eat a horse, I dont mean that I could actually eat a whole horse.."

When I used the phrase of Invasion of eastern European, that also was a figurative form of Speech..
In the last few years Italy has been ,literally speaking, invaded by many poor immigrants searching for a better life. They come by boats, by train, is a never ending work for the border officials, a never ending problem..When is Enough, Enough?

The problem is that Italy is a small country with a population of over 58Millions of legals citizens.

Many Italians are out of work, life is getting more expensive everyday and despite that the Italians by nature are generous and kind people, they are getting tired of this endless situation.
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May 2nd, 2007, 11:59 AM
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kismetchimera,

My wife and I just arrived from 3 years working for Doctors without Borders, mostly across Africa. We have witnessed degress of misery a human mind cannot imagine and it is certain that it modifies how we perceive the world.

Also, after reading different threads, you will soon, unless you have already done so, realize many bigots and very narrow minded individuals populate this board and its forums. Let just say that the word "invasion" shocked me and I reacted accordingly.

Cheers.
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May 2nd, 2007, 12:01 PM
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Now, when I said "many" i did not mean the majority or even a sensible percentage. In my views, one bigot is one too many.
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May 2nd, 2007, 12:12 PM
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two views from very different aspects and both sensible. A hard question - i'd like to be on both sides. Same in US - the Hispanics in millions illegally here and most hard working doing xxxx jobs no one else would do - thus Americans are unemployed as they wouldn't stoop to do these jobs. A tough call - can't open borders or there would be an invasion and resulting misery for all. Best to try to uplift life in third world which to me the west has only taken token efforts to do. Paul Wolfowitz's crying wolf to boot.
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May 2nd, 2007, 02:06 PM
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travelingmad,
I read and saw quite few documentary about Doctors without Borders..They are doing a terrific job aidings the poors of the poors..

They are the most humanitarians people to devote their times without any monetary compensations,and the only reward is knowing that they helped making the life a little better to people that have nothing.

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May 2nd, 2007, 02:40 PM
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Hi GST,

>that's being discussed a lot in the papers at the moment-the lack of caring.

In a large city in the USA, it might not even make the front section. As for lack of caring - that certainly wouldn't be a news item.

Unfortunately.

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May 2nd, 2007, 10:16 PM
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Deb15: I plan on doing 11-14 days visiting Rome, Amalfi Coast, Florence and Venice. How many days were you in Rome, Florence and Venice? Also, what was the cost of your train trips? I was quoted $339 for 7 day pass but I only envision using it to go to Sorrento, Florence and Venice. Is there anything less expensive? Can you buy train tickets by the individual trip. Does $339 seem like a lot of money to a pass or do I need a pass? Your thoughts would be appreciated.
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May 3rd, 2007, 12:43 PM
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You can do individual train trips.

go to http://www.trenitalia.com/
on the left side of the first page is the reservations.
type in your departure and destinations (using italian town names I believe) and then search
next page you can find out the fares.
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May 4th, 2007, 04:32 PM
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ugogirl,
I am certainly no expert as this was my first trip to Italy. I will try to go check my prices and get back to you. Everything I have read on this site seems to indicate that it does not make sense to buy a pass and from my experience I would agree with that.

I had basic plans, but I didn't want to box myself in to an agenda that I might want to change.

We flew into Venice and spent 3 nights, on to Florence for 3 nights, and then Rome for 5 nights.
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May 14th, 2007, 12:49 PM
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Just be mindful of where your belongings are. I know someone who was on the subway. It was very crowded. But the pickpocket was able to unbutton a few buttons and get into the money belt on his stomach without him knowing! Very smooth operators in Rome so just be careful.
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