Cost of buses in London, with transfers

Old Sep 6th, 2011, 02:02 PM
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Cost of buses in London, with transfers

I could possibly read & read & read various web sites to find an answer to this question - but I'm sure some knowledgable London expert will know the answer.

The "official" web site says that bus "journeys" are 1.30 with an Oyster card. If I get on a bus, swipe my Oyster card, get off the bus, and immediately get on another bus - is this one "journey" (costing 1.30), or two "journeys" (costing 2.60)? In most cities where I travel, you have something like 1 1/2 hrs to transfer to another bus without an additional cost.

We leave for London on 9/7 at 4:00PM PDT US

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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 02:17 PM
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Who's we? If you have more than one of you, why not just get a paper travelcard and avail yourself of the 2for1 offers on daysoutguide.co.uk? Then, you don't have to worry about single fare costs.

P.S., you do know there's a 4 quid cap per day on the buses, right?
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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 03:04 PM
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Hi Stu,

It's £1.30 per bus trip but if you ride multiple buses in one day, they can only charge you up to £4.00. I mostly only take the Tube, but I don't remember the bus drivers giving me anything like a transfer ticket or anything.

Have fun and I hope that public transit is working when you come!
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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 03:27 PM
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What is a quid??

According to the "official" web site, there is a daily Oyster Card "off peak" limit for zones 1 & 2 of 6.60. Peak limit is 8.00. This is for any mode of transportation - bus or tube. There is no mention of limits for only buses only.

So - with an Oyster Card, if I take an early tube (during peak hours) from Notting Hill (zone 2) anywhere east I'm likely to go, it will be 2.50. If I then take a combination of 2 buses back to the Notting Hill area, it is either 1.30 or 2.60. Total cost of the day is 3.80 or 5.10. I will not hit the daily cap. If this is a typical day, then the cost for 7 days is either 26.60 or 35.70. The 7 day Travelcard is 27.60 for an unlimited amount of travel in zones 1 & 2. I like the idea of unlimited travel - that's what we do in Paris, so I am leaning towards purchasing a 7 day Travelcard (we will be in London for 2 1/2 week). During our "typical" week, we may spend no time taking buses or tubes - so the Oyster cost may only be 19 - making it the cheapest choice - unless we take 3-5 buses on a "journey" in a day. Thus my question about transfers.

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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 03:40 PM
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>>but I don't remember the bus drivers giving me anything like a transfer ticket or anything.
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There are no transfers for buses in London. Once you get off you are charged for your next ride so plan accordingly. There is a limit for the daily charge on the Oyster card which just went up so I cannot quote the exact fee but I want to say something like $6.
My kids live there and I "layover" alot there for my airline job. I have an Oyster card and think that it is a wonderful thing to have as it is so easy to load and use.However, when I was moving my son in last summer and we were all over looking for apartments I just got the week travelcard for unlimited which was something like 24 for the whole week/7 days.Look into that if you are traveling around alot. Have fun!
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I think Notting Hill is on the boundary between zones 1 & 2 so if you head east, it's considered zone 1 on the tube for that journey....zones are not relevant for the buses.

With Oyster PAYG, buses will cap at £4 (or in the vernacular 4 quid....then if you also take the tube, you will cap at the appropriate price of a one day travelcard for the time and places you travel. There are no transfers on London buses...each touch in is a separate fare even if you go only 1 stop. Also there is no longer a one day bus pass...either you have a travelcard of some sort (the one you can buy is for example the one day zone 1 & 2 which is £6.70 I think off peak (first trip not before 0930 on a weekday)....supposedly the tfl computer keeps track of these things and at the end of the day settles on the cheapest combination of fares you use that day if you're using PAYG...then there are the 2 4 1 discounts which is a completely different kettle of fish and present other complications to get the bvest deal possible.
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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 07:13 PM
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Just to reiterate what xyz123 says,

If you take the bus ONLY throughout the day (no tube, no DLR), your daily cap price is £4. Here's the official page on TFL bus fares:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14415.aspx

If you use buses AND tube or DLR, the daily cap is higher, and varies depends on whether you travel during peak or off-peak. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx
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First, you need to double check your research - TFL's website is clear that there is a 4 GBP per day limit for bus only travel. Why you want to travel by bus so much in a city as ridiculously congested as London, where the average speed is about 10 mph in Zone 1, is open to question, but that's your choice. If I were staying in Notting Hill, I would make sure to travel as much as possible by Tube, not bus. Travel by Central Line from Notting Hill Gate to Oxford Circus will take about 10 minutes. Same route by bus: probably double that.

Second, a quid is a pound. This is one of the easiest Britishisms to pick up and if that throws you for a loop, you're in trouble. This can help: http://www.effingpot.com/slang.shtml

Third, I note again that you said "we." If there is more than one of you, you need to get the paper travel card and use the 2for1 offers from Days Out Guide and save a whole lot more than nickel-and-dime about bus/Tube considerations.
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What is the point of your question?

You say you're leaving on July 9. So presumably you've been and gone.
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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 09:04 PM
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>> I just got the week travelcard for unlimited which was something like 24 for the whole week/7 days.Look into that if you are traveling around alot. >Why you want to travel by bus so much in a city as ridiculously congested as London, where the average speed is about 10 mph in Zone 1, is open to question, but that's your choice>Third, I note again that you said "we." If there is more than one of you, you need to get the paper travel card and use the 2for1 offers from Days Out Guide and save a whole lot more than nickel-and-dime about bus/Tube considerations.
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I believe he means 7th of September at 1600, Pacific Daylight Time.
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"Better above ground - just like in Paris."

London is MUCH more spread out than Paris. For some journeys a bus is absolutely fine. But for some trips, the tube is MUCH more practical.

Notting Hillgate > Oxford Circus = 8 mins by tube

Notting Hillgate > Oxford Circus = 30 mins by bus

Notting Hillgate > Tower of London = 30 mins by tube

Notting Hillgate > Tower of London = 1 hour 18 mins by bus

Notting Hillgate > Sloane Sq. = 10 mins by tube

Notting Hillgate > Sloane Sq. = 34 mins by bus

Notting Hillgate > Holborn = 12 mins by tube

Notting Hillgate > Holborn = 61 mins by bus
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"I believe he means 7th of September at 1600, Pacific Daylight Time."

Can't possibly.

This poster's travelled often enough, and to enough places, to know how to express dates in an unambiguous form to an international audience.
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Just to add that with a Travelcard you can travel on the buses throughout the whole of London not just the zones it's eligible for - the zones only refer to Tube & train travel within London.

But as others have pointed out, buses are a poor way of getting around London - often it's quicker to walk.

For a few links on the various options see http://www.londontoolkit.com/briefin...ard_oyster.htm and the links from it.

But surely you should have been asking these questions more than 12 hours before flying - or read the bit in yur guidebook about getting around London which will almost certainly say all of this
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Old Sep 7th, 2011, 07:22 AM
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>>You say you're leaving on July 9. So presumably you've been and gone>But surely you should have been asking these questions more than 12 hours before flying - or read the bit in yur guidebook about getting around London which will almost certainly say all of this
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Amazing that you've spent 5 weeks in London on prior trips and (1) don't know what a quid is, (2) don't realize the slow bus/not so slow Tube dynamic.

Don't apologize for saying 9/7. Flanner is being an arse - he knows good and well that Americans put the month first and could have inferred your meaning quickly enough.
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""Oyster card is the benchmark" and "the vast majority of Londoners use an Oyster Card". However, it seemed like the Travelcard would be best for us"

OK -- now I understand your confusion. We need a clarification of terms. It isn't travelcard vs. Oyster.

A travel card is just one type of fare structure (another being Pay as you go - PAYG) Both can be loaded on an Oyster. The oyster is simply the mechanism to hold the transport ££. In fact for you, a weekly zone 1-2 travel card and some PAYG money loaded on the card up front is probably the way to start. the PAYG would be for any tube journeys outside of zones 1-2.

Then you can top up/add more to the Oyster later in your stay. Either another weekly travelcard, more PAYG, or both . . .
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Old Sep 7th, 2011, 08:39 AM
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I'll admit that I love taking the buses in London - but only when I'm not in a hurry. If I need to travel a far distance in a rush, I will no doubt head for the tube. However, on leisurely days, I much prefer taking the bus (and saving some money). On roads such as Oxford Street and Charing Cross Road, no doubt walking will be faster than the bus. But if I'm tired and not in a hurry, I don't mind sitting on the bus to rest my feet while the bus crawls slowly ahead.
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>> In fact for you, a weekly zone 1-2 travel card and some PAYG money loaded on the card up front is probably the way to start. the PAYG would be for any tube journeys outside of zones 1-2.
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