Cigarette Ripoff at Les Deux Magots

Aug 14th, 2007, 12:08 PM
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not much because someone in their right mind would go back and complain and the cig seller would not be fooled again it seemed if she has to reimburse the 8 euros.

"i won't be fooled again"
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Aug 14th, 2007, 12:24 PM
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Wow! You guys can really make something of what I thought was a fairly small story.
First of all, the lady was sitting in a nice set up booth outside both restrooms selling cigs at the average price 6E per pack and offering matches to boot. She seemed like part of the normal business of the restaurant.
The cigs were packed in cellophane and it was only after opening them that I realized they had an additional wrap over the inside wrap.
The surprise for me was that they were being sold in the restaurant.
I did not smoke one immediately b/c I personally do not wait until I am completely out of cigs to buy another pack. It was actually the next morning when I tried one.
I did not return to the restaurant b/c I only had two days to enjoy Paris and I did not choose to use my time trekking back to make a complaint.

NEITHER DID I THINK THE CIGS WERE HAZARDOUS!!! I WOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT THESE FOR SOMEONE TO BE POISOINED BY!!

As someone mentioned I really believed them to be just a subclass of tobacco and honestly being the first pack of cigs bought in France, I wondered if the French cigs were just really weak compared to American cigs (and I do live in the South.)

So please call me a bit naive if you must, but some of the rants have been extreme. If I thought the cigs were harmful, I would have certainly returned them and complained to the management. (I may still complain to warn future travelers.)
As for insulting my request at helping others book travel, I am offended. Who even said I would book European tours (although I likely would). I certainly plan to become more knowledgable before attempting to help others. Believe it or not, I am fairly knowledgable with travel in the US and have taken many tour groups on successful trips.

I am amazed at the way you people love to tout superiority sometimes.
I am an educated, compassionate lady who likes to travel, and yes I may have a learning curve, but to suggest that I would want to pass poison on to someone is highly offensive.

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Aug 14th, 2007, 12:34 PM
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I apologize. I'm afraid I'm not much of a mind reader, so I had no idea that "something that was not burnable tobacco had been stuffed into them" simply meant that they were "sub par cigarettes". And since you said they looked "tampered with" I suspected you were suggesting that they were indeed tampered with, not merely real cigarettes you didn't care for.

For some strange reason I took your post as being literal.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 12:34 PM
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1ss1

very well put - FodorFriends i believe often are guilty of piling on - but you should have stepped in earlier to put things right because once conceptions get started about 'poisoning the homeless' as NeoPat charged me with too because of my comment, it snowballs.

Like John Kerry when he refused to hit back at the Swift Boat veterans a more immediate response would have put things in a more proper perspective as your last post certainly did.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 12:36 PM
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Well, you certainly made the cigarettes sound more toxic than normal tobacco. Back when I helped to run a café in Paris, sometimes I would bring authentic cartons of cigarettes back from Luxembourg for resale (totally illegal but half price). They would only sell those packs (at the normal French price -- they didn't even do a markup) to known customers, due to the fear of French fiscal authorities -- the packs were clearly not French because they had a Luxembourg tax stamp on them and a health warning in French, German and Luxembourgish. The fact the the Deux Magots could possibly be selling toxic cigarettes from the Sudan (just an example -- a lot of counterfeit cigarettes are made in Africa) is perfectly incredible.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 12:44 PM
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Thanks PalenQ! I should have jumped in earlier; I have been sleeping today to catch up from travel and a late night at the airport picking up some friends.

NeoPatrick,
You are not only not a mind reader; you seem to lack sensitivity. If I had known how interested you would be, I would have timed the amount of time, it took me to try to smoke one cig, and had the contents sent to a lab for examination when I arrived back in the US. I believe the substance was tobacco but it would not burn properly.
The guy who received the cigs seemed to be interested in trying them although I explained in detail to him how bad they were.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 12:47 PM
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I was very surprised when I opened the pack and it looked tampered with, more surprised when I realised something that was not burnable tobacco had been stuffed in the cigarettes.

My original wording...did I say toxic?? Did I not say I tried a couple? Did I mention anything about feeling poisoned from the attempt?? Some people read between the lines too much.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 12:57 PM
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Aug 14th, 2007, 01:03 PM
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Why would anybody want to stuff anything non toxic into a cigarette?
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Aug 14th, 2007, 01:31 PM
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<The cigs were packed in cellophane and it was only after opening them that I realized they had an additional wrap over the inside wrap.>

Sorry I still don't understand this sentence.

If the person was selling cigs inside the Les deux Magots , then they must have been part of the operation.

I'm seeing "cigarette girls" from the old 40-50's movies!!
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Aug 14th, 2007, 01:59 PM
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"Some people read between the lines too much."

Or maybe they just read the actual lines too much.? You now seem to indicate that the cigarettes were probably real ones, but you didn't care for them. No? Or am I still misunderstanding?

We were to have guessed that -- that they were real factory made cigarettes, from the indication that they apparently had been tampered with and suggesting that something other than non burnable tobacco had been "stuffed" into them. Again, I'm sorry that I didn't realize you were talking about this substance being stuffed into them at the real factory where they were made. I guess it was reading between the lines that made me think it was some sort of tampering from a different unknown source.

And I'm also sorry you didn't see the "humor" in pointing out the idea that these horrid unsmokable, unidentifiable cigarettes would be "relished" by anyone who found them. I found that funny -- obviously you were serious. Of course the reference to someone being poisoned was an exaggeration. Sometimes maybe it's GOOD to read between the lines a bit? You seem to be upset that I took your post literally, yet you are intent on taking my post literally.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 02:01 PM
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Why would anybody want to stuff anything non toxic into a cigarette?

i have a lady friend who is a health nut - vitamins, organics, the works

but she smokes American Spirit cigarettes - 'all natural ingredients, no added chemicals'

i call it organic toxens!
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Aug 14th, 2007, 02:04 PM
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Leave Iss1 alone. (No, I don't know him/her.) How can anyone get annoyed at this poster? Time to figure out a better way of getting your anger out.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 02:15 PM
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Annoyed? Anger? Huh? Someone posts a post. Of course people discuss it. And then there is discussion and explanation of those posts. People explain why they said the things they said or interpreted the things they way they did. That's what I see -- a lot of discussion on the post. If you see any annoyance or anger it sure isn't from me.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 02:47 PM
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I grin every time I see the new additions to the post. No anger here!
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Aug 14th, 2007, 02:59 PM
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I have spent way too much time on this post. Explanation: The cigarettes were in a cellophane wrap, inside their is a foil covering the cigs...this pack had foil on top of the foil (upside down). As I have tried to explain...I did not know if the cigs were tampered with or just less than superior tobacco. In retrospect, I think someone put cheap tobacco (thus tampering with the original) in the Marlboro package.
Yes, the lady was sitting in a nice area just outside the bathrooms and in front of the Les Deux merchandise display case.
I don't think I was completely oblivious; this set up seemed to be realistically a service provided by the restaurant.
The price was not reduced.
I have again tried to explain my original statement, but I don't think everyone understands.
I do think that some of the posts went beyond just nice warnings and suggestions to being insulting.
As Eleanor Roosevelt said no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. And I do not consent to allow irate people to make me feel inferior.
It does make me a little disappointed as I had really hoped that I had found a channel to share travel interests, suggestions, etc.
I do feel that some people are using the fodors talk for that purpose, and for those I am grateful. I am still trying to figure out if others are just hazing new posters or if they remain hostile to all.
As far as I am concerned the cigarette issue is old. Mistakes are not bad if you learn from them; so I can take my little mistake of purchasing the cigs and leaving them on the bench. People who insult others continually and are unable to see that they are doing so are making a mistake that they need to learn from as well. It is not proper in any circumstance to find humor in suggesting that someone is trying to poison the homeless people of the world on any continent. Perhaps if you know someone better, you can take liberties at making jokes at their expense; however, at this point I would not presume that relationship with anyone on this channel.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 03:11 PM
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I totally apologize for suggesting that you were actually trying to poison someone with the cigarettes. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought anyone would think I was seriously suggesting they were trying to do that. I honestly believed that most people would see such a suggestion as a humourous exaggeration of possibility within the way the story was being told. I am indeed sorry that I was wrong about that -- at least in terms of how you saw it, and it was really NOT meant to hurt you. You can choose to believe me or not.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 03:16 PM
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Apology accepted and thank you!
One point I was trying to make as how the ones people often fear "those lingering in the Metro" could be honest as in the guy trying to return the cigs to me. That point got lost along the way.
No hard feelings here...and on to better topics.
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Aug 14th, 2007, 08:22 PM
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#First of all, the lady was sitting in a nice set up booth outside both restrooms selling cigs at the average price 6E per pack and offering matches to boot. She seemed like part of the normal business of the restaurant.#

She's part of the restaurant, she's the bathroom lady. Probably she tries to make extra money by selling counterfeit cigarettes.

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Aug 15th, 2007, 03:18 AM
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80-90% of the price of cigarettes is taxes. That means that people don't "counterfeit" cigarettes to make money, but they smuggle them. The big companies manufacture them dirt cheap in comparison to the official sales price and the smugglers by them by the container.

Even big brands are of different quality depending on which country you buy them in. In all probability this was a packet of French Marlboros which might have been a little old or such a thing. Even if there was any illegal activity (which I highly doubt), I can't imagine anyone bothering to re-pack counterfeited cigarettes. The important part would be to get a tax seal on a packet of smuggled cigarettes.
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