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Church dress code
When touring churches in Brussels and Brugge, what is the dress code for both men and women?
Do the Roman Catholic churches in Brussels observe the Assumption of Mary (Aug 15 in the United States) Thank you - 2 weeks away from traveling to Brussels and Brugge ACDB |
Churches in Bruges are catholic churches. Being in Flanders has nothing to do with religion.
August 15th is a national holiday. |
August 15th is a "national holiday" in Belgium because it IS "Assumption Day" from what I have always understood.
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Well yes Dukey1, obviously. And being a Catholic country it is observed in churches, but OP also needs to be aware it is a public holiday not purely a religious one.
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curious as to church dress code question?
And if not a religious holiday what kind of public holiday would it be? Do Dutch churches have any dress codes - the few that are left as real churches. |
Assumption Day on August 15th is a Holy Day of Obligation in Belgium and there will be Masses that day. As for dress code, it's pretty relaxed in the summer, and unless you are clearly underdressed such as in bikinis or bare-footed, you are unlikely to be stopped or give offence.
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Originally Posted by Alec
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Assumption Day on August 15th is a Holy Day of Obligation in Belgium and there will be Masses that day. As for dress code, it's pretty relaxed in the summer, and unless you are clearly underdressed such as in bikinis or bare-footed, you are unlikely to be stopped or give offence.
Also, some years back our travel to Vatican required women in skirts and men in long pants. The skirt is no problem for me, but Hubby wants to wear shorts!! Thanks Alec for your comments. |
Dukey - as August 15th is also a national holiday, does that mean business, etc. closed in observance of that Holiday? Thank you
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IME of decades of being in Europe on Aug 15 it seemed more like a Sunday - most big stores closed but cafes, small shops open - train station shops certainly open and airport so stock up! And Sundays traditionally major stores closed but think that has changed many places maybe Aug 15 too. IME churches outside of Italy rarely enforced anything against shorts or uncovered ladies' heads -so I doubt that they do now.
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Originally Posted by ACDB
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We land in Brussels around Noon on the 15th - I may be out of luck for finding an evening Mass.
If the listing is still up-to-date there will be an English service at Sacre-Coeur at 7.15pm I'd double-check by e-mail with the parish, though. The church would be pretty easy to reach by public transport via metro Schuman. |
August 15 is also Mother's Day in part of Belgium - Antwerp definitely, not sure if they celebrate that in Brussel.
There is no dresscode for churches in Belgium that I am aware of, but I don't attend church often. |
Belgium has become quite secular in recent years and the influence of the Catholic Church, once massive, has declined considerably. With this trend has also gone the strict dress code for churches and attending Masses, and nowadays the churches want to do everything to encourage attendance, esp among the younger people. It doesn't mean there are no conservative people who don't take kindly to skimpy clothes in churches, but they are in a minority.
As for attending Masses on the Assumption Day, if you don't mind in French or Flemish (Dutch), some churches have evening Mass, but you can check out the Catholic website in French: http://www.cathobel.be/messes/horair...s-en-belgique/ Scroll down to find Masses for the Assumption. Enter Bruxelles as location. |
no bare feet; so Friars not allowed in while JC would be shown the door.
I suspect that bare feet are fine but short shorts, midrif and upper arms might get a tut though I doubt anyone will be shown the door |
I've never been anywhere in Europe where there was a "dress code" to enter a church, and I've been in some fairly conservative Catholic countries (like Poland). I think that's just an Italy thing and maybe even just a Rome/Vatican thing (where I haven't been).
Even for the Vatican, I have never heard women had to wear skirts, though, just regulations about how much skin was showing. That's kind of a bizarre sexist/Western cultural requirement, if true, do they require men to wear pants and not skirts, for example? Jesus used to wear what could be called a dress, more or less. Showing skin is one thing, but requiring certain styles of clothing is strange, if that is true. |
I believe men can wear skirts in the Vatican, but not miniskirts.
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Yes now that OP has question answered - why do priests and cardinals and popes wear those ridiculous costumes when Jesus wore the ordinary clothing of common man. Why try to set themselves apart from others? Franciscans are more cool in that regard.
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Originally Posted by PalenQ
(Post 16771063)
Yes now that OP has question answered - why do priests and cardinals and popes wear those ridiculous costumes when Jesus wore the ordinary clothing of common man. Why try to set themselves apart from others? Franciscans are more cool in that regard.
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Originally Posted by PalenQ
(Post 16771063)
Yes now that OP has question answered - why do priests and cardinals and popes wear those ridiculous costumes when Jesus wore the ordinary clothing of common man. Why try to set themselves apart from others? Franciscans are more cool in that regard.
The clothing a priest wears for celebrating mass is a ceremonial costume. After the mass is over, he may well (at least in Italy) wear normal but conservative clothing. The younger priests in my diocese in Italy wear jeans, sneakers, and knit tops. Colors tend to grey or navy, but not exclusively. The older priests tend to wear a "priest's shirt" with normal trousers and shoes. I don't know any priest who wears a cassock when not performing official duties. This may be different in the US. Also, I see priests in full clerical garb walking around Rome, but they may have special roles that require it. The bishop in my diocese likewise wears normal conservative clothing when not officiating. The previous bishop was from an earlier generation and went about in his robes. If anything, the Franciscan friars around here are dressed much more clerically than priests are. However, in some monasteries they dress in civvies around the monastery, and sometimes even outside. I remember a conversation between two Anglican priests about clerical garb. One said that he never wore a "dog collar", while the other said that he felt that wearing something that identified him as a priest might encourage someone in trouble to ask him for help. In Italy, priests who dress normally usually wear a pin in the shape of a cross, or a cross around their neck. I think many priests and other clergymen think it's a good thing to have a little visibility for similar reasons. In my impressions, Catholic priests In the US tend to dress in black, with a clerical collar, but my memories from twenty years ago may mislead me. If so, in that respect, priests in Italy are much more casual. On the other hand, Catholic nuns in the US (and I think also in the UK) tend not to wear habits, whereas in Italy, almost all wear them. I've noticed that while Pope Francis wears white, his jacket, when he's not officiating, has the cut of a normal man's jacket. He also has ditched the red slippers. |
To me, they are ridiculous and an attempt to put the priests, cardinals, pope above common people- no Jesus would have been the pope of his day (if there had been a historical Jesus- little evidence of that - and would have worn normal clothes like his flock did. Can you see Jesus in one of the clown-like cardinal outfits? Again Franciscans I believe wear more plain garb.
And yes I am talking about high masses, etc in Vatican and cathedrals - bvlenci shows things are changing and less pretentious in many parishes and yes that is probably more the norm. But yes I judge from masses I see on TV like at Easter, etc. WWJD? Wear clothing of his followers |
As long as I've been going to Rome, the rules at the Vatican were "shoulders and knees covered". In other words, no sleeveless tops, miniskirts or short shorts. Men in addition have been required to wear long trousers, but I've heard that this rule is not strictly enforced any more in hot weather. I don't know any other Catholic church, basilica, or cathedral in Italy that requires long trousers on men, and none at all require skirts for women. In parish churches, as Alex said, the dress rules have almost disappeared. Priests are happy to see people coming to church. In my parish, women in spaghetti straps and short shorts can be seen reading the lessons at mass, and leading the prayers.
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