Go Back  Fodor's Travel Talk Forums > Destinations > Europe
Reload this Page >

Can you really get those very lowest transatlantic fares on open jaw travel? Can you cite specific examples?

Can you really get those very lowest transatlantic fares on open jaw travel? Can you cite specific examples?

Aug 8th, 2005, 04:06 AM
  #21  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 50
I think it depends on the airline. In May I purschased an open jaw travel ticket with Air France for JFK-Venice (through Paris) and Rome-JFK (with a three day stopover in Paris. It was $349 (taxes additional). From my experience, Most European airlines will allow open jaw tickets for not much more. It may be different with US airlines.
emmas is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 04:14 AM
  #22  
ira
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,148
Hi Robe,

Searching for 1/10 - 1/25 I got $535 non-stop and $459 0ne-stop.

Using the "flexible dates", I was able to get $305, but only for 1/12 -1/23.

However, I don't think that this addresses the question of "are RTs significantly less than open-jaw" since it's not the same itinerary.

ira is online now  
Aug 8th, 2005, 04:50 AM
  #23  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,759
Rex - Are you following me ? I last lived in Louisville & before that Columbus...I guess I missed you moving I thought you were still in Ohio. The only open jaw I've ever gotten for less than $500 was a Clt - Vienna & then a Rome back to Clt. I believe each leg was on a differing airline as I started on Delta & came back on Austrian Air. Living in Charlotte(currently)we do get tha advantage of some great deals (but pay for the convenience the rest of the time). When Lufthansa came in they were offering direct flights to Munich for $299 so we jumped on those. Ever since, those flights have been cost prohibitive as I love Lufthansa but won't pay top $$.
SAnParis is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 04:53 AM
  #24  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,759
One thing you can take advantage of if you have the urge to see Iceland & can get to one of their gateway cites (Boston, JFK, BWI & Mnpls I think) you can fly to Europe & stop over in Rekjavik with no added cost. They always have deals in Fall & Winter.
SAnParis is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 05:39 AM
  #25  
rex
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,194
So, it seems that there are now at least three examples cited which defy what Robespierre originally contended (out of hundreds of lights take by Fodorites - - but who knows how many people actually read this thread?)

I guess a relevant question, ira... is: if there IS a flight for $305 for those dates (12 jan to 23 jan) - - could it be open-jawed to a different destination, coming back (or going over), combined with Paris... on THOSE dates?
rex is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 08:21 AM
  #26  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 373
5/29-6/5 of this year, we flew EWR-MAD MAD-EWR-MIA for $475 inclusive on Air Europa (Continental)bought on Orbitz. The same itinerary ending in EWR was $700+ on Air Europa, and over $900 on Continental (it was a codeshare). We bought it about 4 weeks before departure. I tried to replicate the fare a couple of days later for my brother, but I could never find it again, not through any website including the two airlines. With him it ended up being a similar situation. BOS - LHR - MAD MAD-MIA (5/29-6/12)was cheaper than flying him back to Boston. We had both purchased RT on FLL-BOS on Song figuring we could fly out of any airport driving distance from BOS (as I did) and get back home cheaply, but it ended up much cheaper to be flown home as part of the international ticket and get credit for the unused portion of the Song ticket.
amcc is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 08:35 AM
  #27  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 33,427
Elberko stated it best way back at the top -- whenever airlines have their sale fares, if the cities you want in your open-jaw itinerary are on their list, then you should be able to get them. I have never been told by an airline or heard of a requirement for those fares in ads that one cannot fly open jaw.

I don't do anything special to check out open-jaw fares, just the usual online searches (itasoftware, Expedia, etc).

It doesn't make any sense to talk about how airlines allow open-jaw tickets for not much more than RT when you are going or returning from a different city. Different cities cost different amounts of money for flights, that's the point, and it doesn't have anything to do with being open-jaw; generally, it will they would cost differently if you had a RT ticket to Vienna from the US in comparison to London, so why would you expect an open jaw into London and back from Vienna to be the same price as RT London?
Christina is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 11:05 AM
  #28  
sockboy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Christina makes an excellent point. The way open jaw is (usually) priced is 1/2 the RT to city #1, and 1/2 the RT to city #2.

So if you are flying in and out of cities that BOTH have excellent RT prices, you will get a very good open jaw price. BUT if you are flying into one city (say London) that has a very low RT price, but out of, say Budapest, with a very high RT price, you open jaw ticket price will reflect that.

If you can get a very low RT into one city, you can always "make your own" open jaw, but relying on a no-frills European carrier for a one-way flight back to the original city to connect to your RT flight.
 
Aug 8th, 2005, 11:40 AM
  #29  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,759
To site another anomaly of the airline industry. last year I need to fly to Hartford, Ct. for business but my wife was going to be out of town over the weekend so I wanted to fit something fun in if I could. As long as the airfare is equal to or less than, my company allows the changes. So, instead of paying $432 from Clt - Hartford R/T. I paid $319 for Clt - Hartford - New Orleans (via CLT) then back to Clt. Granted there was a Saturday night stay over w/the addition of New Orleans but... ???!!!
SAnParis is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 12:51 PM
  #30  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,986
And odd situation that we found ourselves in with an open-jaw ticket. We decide to go to London in April 2003 because of a radio add announcing low fares (around $300 from Detroit). Started researching fares, and considered going to Paris in addition or instead. Open-jaw DTW-London, Paris-DTW was cheaper than either round trip ticket. Not by a lot - the Eurostar ticket between the two cities cost more than the difference in tickets, but we got to go to both cities so it was worth it.
jlm_mi is offline  
Aug 8th, 2005, 06:24 PM
  #31  
rex
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,194
I actually don't think that Christina mkes a good point. Indeed, I would say that she misses the point. There has never been an assertion that a ticket like xxx-LON/VIE-xxx would be priced the same as xxx-LON, roundtrip - - but rather that the price will often be in the same general range as the average of xxx-LON rt together with xxx-VIE rt.

Veteran travelers know this to be true, generally speaking, already. But this thread addresses the question about circumstances when there is a very deeply discounted fare to a gateway airport, but you would like to make an open jaw itinerary of it.

The consensus, so far, is that it might be available, if the "other city" is explicitly listed as part of the same promotion. This will often rule out making an open jaw of a non-gateway city (like Bordeaux, for example in the example provided by ira, above). It might then boil down to price vs convenience, if a deep-discounted fare is available to/from city xxx - - but you want an open jaw. As in the case with ira's PAR/BOD trip, it might be worthwhile to look into alternative means of "closing" the jaw back up... i.e., getting back to the gateway arrival airport.

In essence, this is what we did on our last trip to France and Spain. The fare to/from Paris was compellingly cheap. We would have preferred an open jaw, to return from Bilbao or Biarritz... but economics (and logistics) made it better to close the jaw ourselves, with the overnight train from Biarritz, back to Paris.
rex is offline  
Aug 9th, 2005, 12:17 AM
  #32  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,260
Having just returned from Europe last night I can only give our own example: an open jaw Washington, DC, to Paris with a return from London Gatwick on Continental and the fare was in Buisness First for $1300 and change each...certainly low enough for us..whether or not it was "the lowest" fare, who cares at those sale rates?????
Intrepid1 is offline  
Aug 9th, 2005, 03:22 AM
  #33  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,866
At the risk of sounding like a Certs ad, I think both Rex and Christina are right.

Generally, I have found that one can get discount fares for an open-jaw flight, but the cost is no higher than a RT to the more expensive of the two destinations involved. In the X-Ldn-Vienna-X case, the more expensive RT would usually be the X-Vienna roundtrip.

In any case, I suspect it might really depend on how the market is performing for each of the half round-trips involved. If X to London is selling really well for flights on the outbound leg over the dates in question, but Vienna to X is not selling well, then this will likely have an effect on the open jaw fare. In such a case, it is possible that one will wind up with near the same cost as the RT Ldn flight (or even cheaper) - regardless of how the airline normally computes an open jaw fare.

Of course, the real reason why we urge people to consider an open jaw has to do with the cost, not to mention the time, savings of not returning to one's original destination in order to make a flight home. These savings usually render open jaw fare considerations almost moot by comparision.
Sue_xx_yy is online now  
Aug 9th, 2005, 05:54 AM
  #34  
rex
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,194
Thanks for playing "moderator" sue...

I started this thread (as I said in the original post) because an assertion by Robespierre seemed too broad to me - - but then when I thought back about my own experience, I wondered if the assertion was (mostly) right.

To the extent that anecdotes can "prove" anything, I think that the assertion is mostly right, and Robespierre has acknowledged that there are exceptions. Some of the factors that characterize those exceptions have been clarified here. And your analysis of some of the factors (i.e., market forces) i undoubtedly right. "We" rarely have any good way to know about those market forces in the minute details we night wish to have - - except to hunt and peck for deals, and communicate them to each other.
rex is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy -

FODOR'S VIDEO

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:06 AM.