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Can I use a harness on my toddler in Italy ?

Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:03 PM
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CalGal
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NOT LARRY KING.NOT SCARE TACTICS.FACTS:
... United States Department of Justice Statistics. Accordin g to a study by
the US Justice Department, 359,000 children are kidnapped every year.
You can read it too, just go to the Dept of Justice
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:08 PM
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Surely you jest. Harnesses. Sounds so abusive. Maybe you should use one on yourself or your husband. How would you like that? Are you trying to have your child end up with problems as an adult. If you can't keep an eye on your child then what are you doing with one. Grow up and see the light. Geez
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:15 PM
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Why would anyone drag a poor child of 2 years to Europe? Go when the child is older or leave them with a responsible relative. Remember you are now a parent with responsibilities you can't be going all over Europe at the expense of your children. Just how much is a 2 year old going to appreciate Europe. They aren't. You are. You sould extremely selfish and so self centered. If you don't want the responsibilities of motherhood then maybe you should have thought it long and hard before having children. I pity your children.
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:20 PM
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Disgusted,

Thanks for the predictible mindless response from someone who hates kids.
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:23 PM
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YouSuck
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No matter what the reply, there is someone to insult and denigrate the posters answer. They are either stupid or child haters or deluded.
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:37 PM
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xxx
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You must be joking. A White House Conference is going to stem the wave of horrible violence??? That' s even more exploitive than Larry King. He's only interested in ratings and advertising revenues. George W. (whose statistics are substantially lower than your's ) wants your money AND your vote.

This is the same man who says we can prevent forest fires by passing legislation making it easier for logging companies to clear cut forests.

Where is Smokey the Bear when you need him?

Oops. Too political.

 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:55 PM
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Make up your mind CalGal - first you imply 852,000 children are kidnapped a year, then in your very next post its down to 359,000 & your very next its down again to 258,000 a year(of which 22% are done by strangers). If you want to do a good scare campaign CalGal you have to at least be consistent!
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 05:58 PM
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readthe
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to those of you who keep telling her to leave the kid home...read the whole thread! She is going to a family wedding. Will have others there to help watch the child. Is not "dragging the kid all over Europe". Is concerned about her child's safety AND comfort...doesn't want the poor thing to have to keep his arm up to hold her hand. While no one likes the concept of "leashing" a child, it makes sense with some kids in some situations. I would certainly feel more comfortable with a wrist "leash" tied to my wrist and my child's to make sure she wouldn't get lost if we dropped hands. Especially for kids who really can't handle being in a stroller for long periods. Sounds like this mother is being responsible and concerned...give her a break!!
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 06:14 PM
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MathWhiz-
You are the one claiming to be some kind of mathematician.
Those are excerpts from the Dept of Justice reports and from Reuters reporting on a White House conference regarding violence towards children in the US.
Not my math-
obviously you are one of those people who will never admit that someone else might be right, that is ok.
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 06:36 PM
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....whole quotes from other publications and news sources, Cal Gal, this is against Fodor rules and one that they take very seriously, they'll probably delete the thread. (and no, it doesn't matter if you attributed the source, they still don't like it.)

Oh, and by the way, most child kidnappings are custody dispute cases by one parent from the custodial parent. Even the police agree on this. While the resulting turmoil is probably very hard on the custodial parent, the fact is the kidnapping, by his or her own parent, is not motivated by a desire to molest the child.
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 06:43 PM
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I don't know about you but I for one will be glad if they do delete this moronic thread.
 
Aug 22nd, 2002, 08:47 PM
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Umm CalGal,it doesn't take a mathemetician to point out the obvious flaws (ie, they don't even equal!!) in the data you've presented here - the fact it came from a supposed reputable source doesn't make it any less useless. So which number do you want me to admit you are 'right' about exactly given the 1st number (852k) is 137% greater than the 2nd (359k) which in turn is 39% greater than the 3rd (258k)? Ever heard the phrase 'damned lies & statistics'?
 
Aug 23rd, 2002, 12:58 PM
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How odd it is that Cal Gal's math does not add up and although you needn't be a Math Wizz (but Math Wizz your efforts are appreciated!) to figure it out...she states that we can't admit it when someone else might be right.
HALLOOO!!! Take a look in the mirror honey!
 
Aug 23rd, 2002, 01:17 PM
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tee
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The harness is a great idea. Say you lose your hat in a canal in Venice. Dangle the tyke down so he can pick it up. Older tykes can use the harness (secured by you, of course) to repel down canal walls, or outside hotels (if the elevator is slow). Pay the vaporetto (sp?) driver a few more lira/Euros and s/he will go a bit faster and your kid can slalom off the back! You can amuse your kid for hours by swinging him or her around like a discus (can't get more Roman than that!). No room in he small car, use the harness to tie your kid to the luggage rack! Take turns letting your kid use the loose end of the harness as a lasso. Passing scooter drivers make good "cows" for roping!
 
Aug 23rd, 2002, 02:11 PM
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MOM - You sound so indecisive. Why would you ask Fodor's posters if you should leash your child like some mad pit bull. We are not your therapists. It's up to you to find the answer to that question. So you're going to a wedding and you have to leash your child. While you're at it why don't you get it a studded collar and teach it how to bark. bow wow
 
Aug 23rd, 2002, 02:14 PM
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I am not sure how people will look at you, but every adult you meet will undoubtedly look down upon your child.
 
Aug 23rd, 2002, 04:46 PM
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i would not worry about what anyone thinks. the child is yours and if it makes you feel comfortable to use a harness, do it.
i used one on my daughter as she did not enjoy being trapped in stroller for
long periods. i am italian-american and
i can't imagine my italian cousins frowning on a harness as it is used to
protect a child.
 
Aug 23rd, 2002, 06:09 PM
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OK. It was fun. But I agree, it is over. Thanks to all of you who provided your opinions in an intelligent way. You helped alot. I chuckled at the odd obnoxious comment but, hey, it takes all kinds.... I am leaving for my trip soon and I think I just may report back on this issue when I return since it caused so much debate.
MOM
 
Aug 23rd, 2002, 07:10 PM
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Mom,
Why on earth are you so concerned what every one else will think? Just do what YOU feel is best. I sure wouldn't want to risk losing a child in a crowd. why do all these people compare it to a dog leash? Forget them! Unless you are planning to put the leash around the child's neck!! Enjoy your vacation, feel secure and do what you want to do.
 

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