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westiedogs Mar 2nd, 2004 04:19 PM

Cafe near St. Germaine De Pres
 
Hi,
My husband and I are travelling to Paris at the end of April - thanks to this post and all of your wonderful advice we will be staying at Hotel Madison. Does anybody have a good recommendation for a cafe for our first night? I am sure we will be very jet-lagged and not up to fine dining but would like some typical French fare and vino, of course. Would love something close that we could just kind of stumble to (and definitely stumble back) - also, advice on reservations. All the comments have been so great!!! I have used it extensively to help plan our trip. I promise to report back after I return and pass along all my "finds".

Flyboy Mar 2nd, 2004 04:30 PM

There are a LOT of great suggestions, but here are a couple that are close by and offer great food in an unpretentious atmosphere (interestingly, both are under the same ownership):

Bistrot Le Mazarin, 42 rue Mazarine (01.43.29.99.01)

La Grille St. Germain, 14 rue Mabillon
(01.43.54.16.87)

I'm not even certain that these places even take reservations, but you could stop in early for a glass of wine and check that out. Either would make a very nice "first night in Paris" experience without being over the top. They're cozy and intimate.


cls2paris Mar 2nd, 2004 04:40 PM

I'm sure get a lot responses to this one! On of my favorites is Relais d'Entrecote on 20 bis rue St. Benoit. It is just a block from the intersection of Rue Bonaparte and St. Germain. Walk on St. Germain past Les Deux Maggot towards Cafe Flore and turn right on rue St. Benoit, and you'll see it about a block away. They have a set menu which I think is very good. Salad, beef with sauce, crispy frites, dessert and it was under 39E last summer. The only decision is what kind of wine to get. I have been there several times and always had a nice experience and good food. Have a fun trip! I'm sure you will not have trouble finding good food!

jody Mar 2nd, 2004 04:43 PM

Depends on how far you want to stumble!

You are across the street from deux Magots, or walk 2 or 3 blocks to Relais de l'entrecote..you won't even have to order , they only serve 1 thing ..a great salad with walnuts, steak- frites with a GREAT sauce and then you get seconds! Good house wine too!

A small cafe, on the corner of Rue Bonaparte and Rue jacob .. about 3 blocks from your hotel..Au Pres du Clerc..nice varied menu.

Or hit the Jacque Cagna restos on Rue Christine..Rotisserie d"un face or Le espadon bleu..or right across from them...Chez Fernand..maybe 3 blocks from the Madison.

You are actually surrounded by choices!

earl30 Mar 2nd, 2004 05:03 PM

First trip to Paris? Sounds like the perfect night for a stop at either Cafe Deux Magots or Brasserie Lipp, both just a couple blocks (if that) from your hotel. Two of the most famous cafes on the Left Bank.

Underhill Mar 2nd, 2004 05:09 PM

If you just want a quick but not fancy meal, head just a few doors down the block (on your left as you exit the hotel) to Vesuvius, an unpretentious, attractive Italian restaurant that also does good French dishes; the menu is fairly extensive, and there are daily specials. We always eat there at least once when staying at the Madison. You won't need a reservation, and it opens at 7:30. Otherwise there's a Léon de Bruxelles (great mussels) down the block on the right, and even closer is a place we haven't tried, but it's perhaps 2 doors from the hotel. Within the same one-block radius are a Thai and a Chinese restaurant, both good.

westiedogs Mar 3rd, 2004 05:17 AM

Thanks to all for the suggestions! Sounds wonderful--can't wait to go. I've been before only for short times and it is my husband's first trip.

JeanneB Mar 3rd, 2004 07:13 PM

Not necessarily for your 1st night, but this is an area you might miss, though it's right around the corner from your hotel.

Rue des Canettes/Rue Guisarde. (Next to St. Sulpice behind Cafe Marie). Locate it on your map...you can get there from Rue du Four or Rue Mabillon.

These little streets are full of cafes, restaurants, creperies, pizzarias, etc. One night we wanted a light meal and got great salads at one of the pizzarias. Another night we had a light meal at a little Italian deli. Some of the restaurants looked good, too, but we never had reservations in time.

klondike Mar 4th, 2004 12:56 AM

We always stay in that area and love it.

1) Just across the street on Boulevard St. Germain is the bistrot Vegenende, where we had a wonderful meal in a beautiful traditional setting.

2) Just down the street and around the corner is Le Be Bop on r. Gregoire de Tours. Probably our favorite and you can read more by pulling up my recent trip report on Paris and La Rochelle, if you like.

3) Sometimes, though you just want something hot and simple (comfort food). If that's what you need then go to Pauls on the corner of r. Buci and r. de Seine. This is a great bakery which serves fantastic homemade soup, omelettes and other lighter fare (except Sundays). We always have breakfast here, but you won't need that staying at the Madison!

4) If you like mussels, just down from the Madison on the same side of the street is Leon de Bruxelles...a chain, but good and hassle free with a prix fixe menu.

Now you've gone and made me hungry!!

jody Mar 4th, 2004 01:20 AM

Now I'm not only hungry........I want to go , too!

westiedogs Mar 4th, 2004 06:00 AM

Hi Klondike,

I'd love to read your trip report - how do I get to it? Thanks to all for the info.

marcy_ Mar 4th, 2004 07:01 AM

westiedogs,
To see Klondike's posts, just click on his/her name in the post above, and a list will appear at the left. Just scroll down and you will see one titled "Trip Report London, Paris..."

sandypaws3 Mar 9th, 2004 06:58 PM

If you're looking for a café close to the Hotel Madison on boulevard Saint Germain, you couldn't do better than Les Deux Magots or Café de Flore. We have breakfast every morning at Café de Flore -- the best croissants we tried in Paris, and we tried them all :-) We had snacks, salads, and sandwiches at Les Deux Magots, and they were all good... no reservations necessary, as it's a café, and an incomparable view!

Best,
Sandy

sandypaws3 Mar 9th, 2004 07:01 PM

A couple of very nice restaurants are Le Petit Zinc at 11 r St Benoît and Allard at 41 r St André des Arts. Both are within walking distance.

Best,
Sandy

SalB Mar 9th, 2004 07:18 PM

Someone above said you were across the street from Les Deux Magots. If that's true, you will be right beside Brasserie Lipp. For a first night, walk downstairs, go next door and settle in the back for a quiet, well served, pleasant meal. If you go a little early, around 6:30 PM, you won't need a reservation.

The food is fine and the wait staff wonderful. Then you can crawl back upstairs and sleep. You'll be ready by the end of dinner with an overnight flight!

francophile03 Mar 9th, 2004 07:22 PM

A few ladies on our flight home were complaining about Cafe de Flore's breakfast being way overpriced-more than 20 euros. Is this true?

sandypaws3 Mar 14th, 2004 11:22 AM

Café de Flore was about 20 Euros when we were there in April 2003, so it may well be over 20 Euros this year :-( We may have to limit our breakfasts at Café de Flore and pick up a croissant at Gerard Mulot some of the time, but we'll definitely eat there at least a couple of times... we wouldn't want to miss it entirely.

Best,
Sandy

francophile03 Mar 14th, 2004 11:31 AM

Thanks for confirming the price, Sandy. Going back to the women on my flight, they said the breakfast was just a continental breakfast. Honestly, that's more than overpriced in my opinion as we couldn't afford to do that as a family of 3-not even once (60+ euros for breakfast!).

awbaker Mar 14th, 2004 11:49 AM

Fish
69, Rue du Seine

wine bar & cafe. wonderful, simple food & great wine selection.

grosenb Mar 14th, 2004 01:52 PM

I agree with the above post. Fish is a great restaurant. Small, but good food and wine.


sandypaws3 Mar 14th, 2004 07:36 PM

Francophile,
You're right... 60 Euros for breakfast is too much for a family to pay. Better for you to get your pastries in the patisseries/boulangeries and eat them in the parcs. Not so bad for just 2 of us... your kids are lucky, though. They're in Paris! My kids were lucky to get McDonalds :-)

Sandy

SalB Mar 14th, 2004 07:52 PM

Great breakfast at Pauls on rue de Buci a couple blocks away. It's right on the corner. There's a nice market on Buci too if you need picnic supplies.

They have tables and even a nonsmoking section and a pretty good menu selection. The prices are varied depending on what you get, but it's quite reasonable. I think the least expensive menu is 3.30 euros.

It's a patisserie so the pastries are excellent. The hot chocolate is a favorite.

francophile03 Mar 14th, 2004 08:08 PM

SalB, I do agree with you about Paul-good location as well. May I ask what is the 3.30 euro menu selection? Maybe it was on the menu but I must have overlooked it or decided not to get it. I don't recall seeing it however.

I had the regular continental menu at 8 euros (1/2 baguette, croissant, coffee, and oj) and my aunt had the complet menu at 12 euros (same as above but includes 2 eggs the way you want it prepared). It's almost the same cost at eating at your hotel. Average breakfast cost at hotels is 8 to 9 euros just for continental-buffet type is more.

SalB Mar 14th, 2004 08:20 PM

francophile, To be honest, I took the price from a previous post (Jody on the thread Coffee available in a patisserie?). Type Paul in the search.

My husband always pays the bill and I hadn't a clue, just assumed jody knew what he/she was talking about. We usually didn't have the oj but did have the half baguette, croissant. I have coffee and my husband has hot chocolate. I asked and he didn't remember the cost.

We did notice the Pauls on Blvd. St. Michel was considerably cheaper than Pauls on Buci. This surprised us . . . and faintly annoyed us since we had hiked all the way to Buci several mornings before we discovered the closer one.

BTW, our hotel only charged 5 euros for a breakfast of coffee (tea or hot chocolate), oj, cereal and breads. We thought that was great . . . but it didn't taste as good as Pauls! We only ate there when it rained.

Ronda Mar 14th, 2004 08:30 PM

We really enjoyed Le Petit Zinc, however, if you ask for non-smoking be prepared to be seated next to the air conditioner in a corner. It really is a lovely restaurant.

francophile03 Mar 14th, 2004 08:31 PM

SalB, you know, the funny thing is that oj is part of the menu but the waitress told everyone that that morning, oj wasn't available. However, there was no discount off of the price.
That's surprising the prices are cheaper at the other branch of Paul. You're right though, their pastries are really good.

SalB Mar 14th, 2004 08:38 PM

Someone on another thread (Christina, I think) said the prices were based on the location because the rents varied by location. It makes sense to me.

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that they didn't discount the price when they didn't have oj. That seems so French! That's the price; take it or leave it.

Love it.

ReddVelvet Mar 14th, 2004 10:12 PM

We also loved Le Petite Zinc. The decor is amazing and in the summer the patio is wonderful too. Can't wait to go back this summer.

jody Mar 15th, 2004 01:03 AM

the 3,30 menu at the Buci Paul was large coffee, tea, or chocolate with a croissant or a 1/2 flute,. It was 6,00 if they added a large juice, and 8,00 with the addition of an egg.

If you wanted a fancier croissant they added a small amount..my DH loves their almond croissant.

Those were the prices in November

francophile03 Mar 15th, 2004 05:40 AM

Instead of 6 euro I paid 8 euro but included the 1/2 flute with a croissant. The complet was 12 euro.

westiedogs Mar 15th, 2004 06:35 AM

Hi

Thanks so much for all the suggestions - Le Petit Zinc looks like it is very close to the Madison - my question is do we need reservations? Just not sure about arrival time. Our flight is supposed to get into Paris (from Munich) around 4:15. I figure by the time we get to the Hotel it will be 6:30 or so. We would probably want to eat around 7:30 or 8 but just worried about delays.

westiedogs Mar 15th, 2004 01:44 PM

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JeanneB Mar 15th, 2004 06:30 PM

Yes, you need reservations at Le Petit Zinc. You would probably be safe with an 8 pm slot. It's very pretty and we loved everything we ate there. And, yes, it's close enough to "stumble" to and back. Bon journee!

SalB Mar 15th, 2004 07:39 PM

Jody, We were there in Nov. too so I bet we paid the same prices you did. Thanks for clearing it up.

We're off to Rome tomorrow. I hope I can survive a week without Fodors!! Perhaps Rome will make up for it. 8^>

francophile03 Mar 15th, 2004 09:30 PM

SalB, have a great visit to Rome! I wish I were going too!

ira Mar 16th, 2004 04:16 AM

Hi westie,

Ask the hotel to make a reservation for you at Petite Zinc.

grandmere Mar 16th, 2004 04:30 AM

Another recommendation for Allard on St. Andre des Arts; we had two meals there last week. Loved the ambience as well as the food; especially good was the beet and mache salad with a dressing that was delicious but of "indeterminate origin", ie, couldn't figure out how it was made! Have fun!


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