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Kate Feb 14th, 2006 03:02 AM

British Parliament votes today on smoking ban
Some of you may be pleased to hear that MPs will vote today on whether to ban smoking in bars, pubs, clubs and restaurants in England & Wales.

The Government wants to make an exception for private clubs and pubs that don't serve food, but news reports indicate that the majority of MPs favour a total ban.

You can watch the vote as it happens on

caroline_edinburgh Feb 14th, 2006 04:15 AM

And a total ban is already set to come into force in Scotland on March 26th this year - can't wait !

I think we will be going to pubs much more frequently again :-)

Tallulah Feb 14th, 2006 04:27 AM

I know that I should think it's a good thing - have been trying to give up for years - but at the same time I'm almost terrified!! :-( I spend half my life in pubs, what on earth am I going to do?!?!

I must admit that I'm also one of those dreadfully stubborn types, still stuck in a teenage mindset, who hates being told what to do!!

(And no, you don't need to tell me how evil it is, and how I shouldn't inflict it on other, I do KNOW that - I'm just being honest from my point of view...)

ira Feb 14th, 2006 04:31 AM

>...MPs will vote today on whether to ban smoking in bars, pubs, clubs and restaurants ...<


How can you require someone to drink alcohol or coffee without a cigarette?

Too little fat and no nicotine in the diet is the cause of "road rage", discourtesy in society, lower SAT scores, unemployment, terrorism and the war in Iraq.


Kate Feb 14th, 2006 04:39 AM

"Too little fat and no nicotine in the diet is the cause of "road rage", discourtesy in society, lower SAT scores, unemployment, terrorism and the war in Iraq. "

Tht's obviously why I'm such a well-balanced, peaceful, polite, intelligent person. Can anyone cadge me a fag?

(I'm guessing that doesn't translate...)

Kate Feb 14th, 2006 04:40 AM

You know it's frightening Tallulah, but sometimes I think I know you...

ira Feb 14th, 2006 04:47 AM

Hi K,

>Can anyone cadge me a fag?

(I'm guessing that doesn't translate...)<

Yes, it do. If you give me your eml address, I'll send you one.

Some years ago, when I was still at the University, I used the word "fag" to refer to the younger boy who was assigned as a slavey to an older boy at prep schools.

I do believe that I use the term correctly.

Whooooooo Boyyyy! What an uproar that caused. :)


Intrepid1 Feb 14th, 2006 04:47 AM

Tallulah, if I told you to go immediately to collect the millions you had just won from the lottery I bet you wouldn't have any reservations about being "told what to do.".

Eventually, everyone stops smoking...please don't be in that last batch of folks.

Tallulah Feb 14th, 2006 05:04 AM

Intrepid: Whilst you have a point, one needs to take into consideration the fact that if I had millions to collect from the lottery then I must have taken the decision to enter said lottery.... And that's called free will :-)

Kate - I know exactly what you mean, scary, isn't it?!!

Kate Feb 14th, 2006 05:07 AM

I have a friend who's nickname is Tallulah. No it couldn't be. You don't work in PR by any chance?

Tallulah Feb 14th, 2006 05:08 AM

Ira: A friend of mine was in the States some years back and absent-mindedly asked for '20 fags' in a shop. That got a few startled looks too!!

(For the record, cigarettes in the UK are sold in packs of 10 or 20, so you tend to say what quantity rather than how many boxes you want... at the time he wasn't too concerned about which brand so didn't state it)

richardab Feb 14th, 2006 05:10 AM

This is good news. You will all live better without your ciggys. Sinilar laws have been passed in amay US states and other Euro countries with no noticible financial impact.

caroline_edinburgh Feb 14th, 2006 06:30 AM

A friend of mine worked as a school teacher in Canada & got some startled looks when telling a boy who'd just sidled back into class : "I know what you've been doing, you've been having a fag !" :-)

Strange, though, Kate, I'd use the word 'cadge' differently; as in "can I cadge a fag off anyone ?". And yes, I used to... no anti-smoker more virulent than an ex-smoker, I'm afraid.

Personally I don't think the Scottish Executive is going far enough - I'd ban smoking in the street too. There's nothing worse than standing in a bus shelter with a smoker in the early morning - especially with a hangover :-)

Tallulah Feb 14th, 2006 06:42 AM

Kate: No I don't work in PR although I used to many years ago! I waste my life in advertising, for my sins!

When's the next next London GTG? We should both definitely go to that!

Intrepid1 Feb 14th, 2006 06:45 AM

What if that GTG is in a non-smoking venue??????

Tallulah Feb 14th, 2006 06:54 AM

Intrepid: then I shall politely step outside as and when the urge takes me! I can cope in non-smoking venues/places most of the time (I have no problem on planes, for example, am flying to LA next month and that will be fine) but sometimes I like to have the choice.

However, if I were to organise it, tough luck - hahaha!!

Giovanna Feb 14th, 2006 08:11 AM

Since I'm an ex-smoker I know first hand how difficult it is to give it up, but living in California with all the bans coming one after another, and everytime a tax was needed it was added to a pack of cigarettes made it much easier!

The final straw for me was Rob Reiner's initiative that added an exhorbitant amount of tax to cigarettes to aid underprivileged children (it passed, of course, since it was for the kiddies). Obviously I have compassion for underprivileged children, but why I as a smoker should support their cause defied reason in my mind. So I quit cold turkey!

Finally done with it, it was as if a huge weight had been lifted from my back, and I was no longer treated badly by the Nicotine Nazis, the fanning and so forth, or as a second class citizen. Saved a ton of money too!

I have always felt smoking in bars/pubs/taverns should be left to the owners and frequent patrons. It could be posted as a "smoking bar" and if one didn't want the smoke you'd go elsewhere.

Maybe spending a few months in California would give incentive to you smokers to quit. I can guarantee you'd be miserable if you didn't.

Robespierre Feb 14th, 2006 08:23 AM

The solution to the entire issue can be seen at (ex-Phoenix Sun Dan) Majerle's Bar in downtown Phoenix:

The air-handling equipment carries the smoke away so efficiently that you can't even smell the smoke when you walk in the door. In airplanes, it would be trivial to "leave a window open" to allow the pressurization to exhaust the smoke from an area of the cabin behind a partition defining the "smoking section."

(By the way - has anyone ever tried smoking in an airplane lavatory and blowing the smoke down the drain of the wash basin? It's vented to the atmosphere, which is why you hear the rush of air when it's open. I'd try it, but I haven't had a cigarette since 1980.)

Intrepid1 Feb 14th, 2006 08:36 AM

"Maybe spending a few months in California would give incentive to you smokers to quit. I can guarantee you'd be miserable if you didn't."

As a health care provider i can almost guarantee you that eventually you would be even more miserable if you had kept on smoking.

Intrepid1 Feb 14th, 2006 08:39 AM

Robes, I hate to break this to you but the toilets on airlines are "vented" to a holding tank. If they were vented to the atmosphere your butt would have been sucked into the wild blue yonder a long time ago.

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