Breakfasts Mandatory in S. France!?

Old Jan 15th, 2006, 02:48 PM
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Breakfasts Mandatory in S. France!?

I have been searching for hotels in Provence and have found some lovely ones,,,the problem with 2 (Las Mas Carassins and Les Mas Romarins)of them is they require you to buy breakfast during high season for 11 euros per person. Added to the 99 e for the room we are getting up there. Has anyone HAD to buy breakfast lately? I am not a big breakfsat eater anyhow. This just seems WRONG IMO.
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Old Jan 15th, 2006, 03:05 PM
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I've never had to buy breakfast - we always decline & don't have to pay for it. However, we've never stayed at the two hotels you're considering, so can't comment about specific places.

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Old Jan 15th, 2006, 03:16 PM
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Stu, made reservations on venere and it stated that it was compulsory during high season,,,I am just assuming mid Sept is still high season, yes?
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Old Jan 15th, 2006, 05:49 PM
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Usually only July & Aug are high season. Also, I've never experienced breakfast being compulsary - Dinner or Lunch yes, but never seen breakfast. But anyone can make thier own rules. Call or e-mail them to find out for sure. I've never used venere.

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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 02:34 AM
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Hi J,

Call or fax the hotels and ask if you have to purchase bkfst for the time you are there.

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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 05:59 AM
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Thanks Ira and Stu, I will e-mail them today.
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 06:06 AM
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There was a big discussion (argument) about this a few months ago--possibly early fall or late summer 2005. Maybe someone can find it.
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 06:55 AM
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Someone French did say at one time (or several), that this is illegal in France. However, I think the point is that this is the south of France in Provence, during high season. From the hotels I've researched in Provence (a lot), quite a few of them do say that it is mandatory down there. I've never experienced that in any other part of France, but in Provence in high season, yes, I have. Not always, but I have seen it quite a bit down there.

That breakfast price is not unusual at all in Provence, either, for hotels. Many of them charge as much or more than hotels in Paris. The only good thing is that in many of these hotels, if you are outside a city, having breakfast in the hotel is the most reasonable and pleasant thing, anyway. I usually do in Provence unless I'm in a city.

The only thing to do is really question them about it, saying you do not want to buy it, if you really want to say there. Maybe they will back down. What is really worse is that some of those Provence hotels say that half-board is mandatory in high season and that is a lot worse. If I really wanted to stay in a place, I wouldn't care as much about the breakfast requirement (other than it making me annoyed with the hotel, of course).

As for whether mid-Sept is high season -- it varies by hotel, but probably. Venere isn't very good if it doesn't detail the exact dates of high season, though. A decent website should.
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 07:00 AM
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I checked the hotel's regular websites, and their high seasons last through September (low season starts 10/1 at Les Romarins and 10/15 at Carassins). They also both say that the 11 euro breakfast is mandatory in high season. I've seen a lot of Provence hotels that extend high season through September nowadays.
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 07:04 AM
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I wonder why they don't just add the breakfast cost to the room price and then say it's "breakfast included" like so many other hotels in France and elsewhere in the world do?

I know some places have a maximum rack price one can charge for the room, but 99 euros don't sound it's the case. If they charge 121 euros for the room including breakfast, everyboy will be happy.
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 07:54 AM
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BTW, I e-mailed them and have not had a reply it is early yet. I feel just include it in the hotel price...it just seems incredibly expensive for a breakfast...jeez even in NYC and London things aren't that pricey! I am thinking of Redience des Sources and Hotel du Soleil with an optional breakfast. Anyhow, I just like coffee and a roll of some sort.
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 08:23 AM
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> wonder why they don't just add the breakfast cost to the room price and then say it's "breakfast included"<

IIRC, the French regulations require bkfst to be listed separately.

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Well after dicussing this with my DH and receiving an opening in an apartment in Hotel du Soliel for 81 euros...I decide to forgo the Carassins but will stick with the Romarins in Gordes...and do the Hotel du Christophe in Aix..... so there I am all set...whew lots of angst involved here .
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 12:11 PM
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This might possibly be the thread with the big discussion about whether breakfasts are ever mandatory: http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...2&tid=34672841
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Old Jan 16th, 2006, 12:28 PM
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I've seen French hotels state that b'fast is included in the rates. It's not listed separately in those cases.
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