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Bellibop Jul 15th, 2008 01:00 PM

Best River Cruise in Europe
 
I am planning a river cruise in 2009 for my 25th wedding anniversary. I am looking for the one with the most esthetics as far as scenery while cruising goes. I want to cruise in Europe, but have no restriction as to where, as long as the scenery and ports are charming. The options are: Danube, Rhine, Rhone or Moselle. What are your suggestions and what time of year do you suggest? I want this to be a memorable trip.

Thank you.

Underhill Jul 15th, 2008 01:17 PM

How long a cruise do you want? There a number on the Danube that might suit you quite well.

Grandma Jul 15th, 2008 01:27 PM

Whatever you itinerary you consider... check out Peter Deilmann. They are more expensive than other river cruises, but the their atmosphere would be more "special occasion."

djkbooks Jul 15th, 2008 01:33 PM

Have you considered Russia? Our trip with Viking was magnificent.

bratsandbeer Jul 15th, 2008 04:15 PM

Grand Circle Tours has some interesting tours. http://www.gct.com/gcc/general/
My friend has been on 3 of their tours and said each one was very good. The last tour was in Russia.

Jake1 Jul 16th, 2008 04:43 AM

However charming the ports, be sure to check the cruise itineraries very carefully to see how much actual usable time you get in each of those charming ports. Many river cruises give you a day or less in each place. Hardly time to figure out where you are let alone actually experience anything.

Bellibop Jul 17th, 2008 10:20 AM

Jake,

I was under the impression with all of these trips you spend only the day in the port and then move on. Are there trips where you stay over in a hotel and then get on the river cruise ship again the following day?

bratsandbeer Jul 17th, 2008 11:55 AM

There are excursions in port that you can sign up for. You will see them listed online. It is my understanding that it is cheaper to select them before you leave home.

This is good because you don't have to take the time to figure each port out unless you want to walk around on your own and do your own thing.

Giovanna Jul 17th, 2008 12:04 PM

We too loved our Waterways of the Czars river cruise with Viking last year.

Regarding time in port and tours, we spent several days in Moscow and several in St. Petersburg, aboard the boat. All other ports were for the day. We only had one day without a port call. Our tours, with a few exceptions, were all included.

gmlawyer Jul 18th, 2008 05:35 AM

GCT Russian Waterways places you in hotels in Moscow and St Petersburg. The savings on time by avoiding nightmarish traffic jams is enormous. In addition, you choose excursions while on the boat. I believe two days ahead so you can make last moment decisions. Very convenient.

blackduff Jul 18th, 2008 05:48 AM

Bellibop
Why not think about taking a barge along the Canal from Bordeaux to Marseille. These barges are not what you think. These are very posh and you'll be pampered from the Atlantic to the Mediterranean. You'll have the barge taking through a whole series of locks and you can be helped too, if you want.

http://www.frenchhotelbarge.com/

Give it a look.

Blackduff

ibailey Jul 20th, 2008 07:58 PM

We loved our Grand Circle river cruise down the Rhine and Moselle, the latter part of April into May. The weather was wonderful, the crew on the boat, mostly young people from Croatia and other countries of the area were the best. The food was very good, wine was mediocre, so we brought our own aboard from ports of call. Yes, we were in a different port each day, but the scenery as we traveled was always a kodac moment. Our only "put off" on the entire trip was the average age of the traveler was somewhat older than we were....but we met several couples in our age bracket and then found we enjoyed all ages as so many had traveled extensively and were open for anything. We truly enjoyed this river cruise and plan to take the Seine River cruise next May. Give this company a look as many of our friends have taken their trips and have nothing but accolades for them.

tower Jul 20th, 2008 09:53 PM


Bellibop: Excuse the highjacking. but I couldn't resist answering the post by ...


ibailey wrote:

>>>Our only "put off" on the entire trip was the average age of the traveler was somewhat older than we were....but we met several couples in our age bracket and then found we enjoyed all ages as so many had traveled extensively and were open for anything.<<<


How nice, you actually found out that OLD geezers do have something to say of interest. In fact, you might even learn something fascinating from a discussion with some of the OLD folks. Try it...you'll learn to like it!

Stu T....(born February 10, 1929, and still eagerly traveling, and willing to put up with you young kids).

Jake1 Jul 21st, 2008 03:18 AM

Bellibop--be sure to check the river cruise itineraries very carefully. The ones I've seen don't allow enough time at each stop to do much of anything at all.

southeastern Jul 26th, 2008 02:11 PM

It always tickles me when people say "they are older". I have found that is doesn't make a difference. It's whether you are interesting, have good conversational skills, humorous and have something to say. There have been people that have bored me to death at all ages. I look a little deeper into people, rather than at their appearance. Maybe some of you should try to do the same. I think you migh be surprised.

tower Jul 26th, 2008 02:21 PM

southeaster:

Thank you!...my point, precisely. I guess I'm just an old Grey Panther, ready to strike at those who disparage "age"...if theyr're lucky, they, too, might get there some day!!

stu T.

sjgd Jul 30th, 2008 04:33 AM

Please look carefully before you decide. We have just returned from a Viking tour and I think you would be very disappointed.
The biggest problem was scheduling. There was very, very little time allowed at the sites you will want to visit. Plus many of those side trips will cost you extra....$100+ per person.
I deliberated between Viking and Grand Circle....and I chose the wrong trip. I wish you better luck.

j_999_9 Jul 30th, 2008 05:22 AM

sjgd: Doesn't Viking advertise that day excursions are included in the cost? Details, please?

Momliz Jul 30th, 2008 05:46 AM

here's some info that might be helpful:

http://smallshipcruises.com/rivereurope.html

and some more:

http://www.cruisecritic.com/cruisest...ea.cfm?area=21

have fun deciding, and please post a trip report when you get back. I have long thought about doing one of these.

chevre Jul 30th, 2008 06:43 AM

I just got back from a Rhine/Mosel river cruise on Avalon. Last year I was with my family on a Rhine/Danube cruise with InTrav (now out of the river cruising business I hear). I think it's a matter of what you're looking for. I would compare river cruises to bus tours with the convenience of not moving from hotel to hotel. On both cruises the accomdations were clean, and the boat was lovely. The InTrav cruise would be comparable in price to Grand Circle or Tauck. There were 3 onboard tour managers plus an on board guide. All tours were included and they were very thorough. In almost every town there was some sort of local "experience" such as having a traditional German lunch...seeing glass blowing in Wurzburg...A wonderful evening of music in Vienna. The food was not great on the boat. And...there was not a lot of free time in any of the places we visited.Of the 98 passengers, close to 60 were part of an organized group from a university which limits passenger interaction as they stay within their groups.
The Avalon cruise I just returned from was less expensive. The boat was beautiful and the cabin great. The food was slightly better on the Avalon boat over InTrav. The biggest difference is that the included tours were really about giving overviews of the town. Many optional excursions were offered and some were great some weren't. All were priced at about 30 - 40$ per person. Which translated into a lot of free time in many of the towns we visited. Avalon had just one cruise director but we don't require much regarding that. The boat crew was fantastic. I also liked that there weren't a bunch of organized groups on this boat. The passengers were very amenable...all ages with about 30% from Australia. In the end I think it's about what how much you want included in your trip. For some it's better to have more programmed tours for others free time is better.

clarasong Aug 31st, 2008 12:37 PM

We attempted a river cruise with GCT a few years ago...disasterious results...but are now ready to rethink river cruises, and am looking at a brochure from Viking. Anyone got insight into Viking, pros and cons. Would appreciate it now...and when do they make a 2 for one offer? We are very flexible about schedule and could use that offer.

adrienne Aug 31st, 2008 12:54 PM

Can someone enlighten me about the scenery on river cruises. I've been asking people I know who have taken cruises and I'm told the Rhine and Danube aren't very scenic.

One couple who took both the Rhine and Danube trip said that there is really only one scenic day on the Rhine when you see the castles and the other days you're traveling through mostly industrial areas. They said that they prefered the Danaube.

A friend just returned from a Danube river cruise and said that other than the Danube Bend area (which doesn't last very long - an hour or two) there's not much to see from the boat. This cruise was booked through Globus but was an Avalon cruise and she also reported that the information from the guides during the shore excursions was "very shallow" meaning not in depth at all.

Regarding GCT tours - the average age (based on the 2 tours I've taken and tours my friends have taken) is usually in the 70s. This makes sense if you look at the length of the tours and how long you stay in one place - these would be tours for retired folks or those who get a lot of vacation time. However the folks who book GCT tours are very active and interesting people and have traveled a lot. Even though they're in the upper age group they're not people sitting on the porch in their rocking chairs!

chevre Aug 31st, 2008 04:17 PM

For me the Danube was more scenic but the Rhine gorge is the prettiest of both. Both have industrial sections. The Moselle beats all three. If you like looking at vineyards, the Rhine and Moselle are for you.

Grandma Aug 31st, 2008 06:39 PM


I see you're still considering. Once again I think of Deilmann for a special occasion. We did GCT and had a great time... but Deilmann is in a different class.

http://www.deilmann-cruises.com/fleet/mozart/index.html

Of course, we did our cruise before the dollar tanked -:)

bettyloo Sep 1st, 2008 07:20 AM

I have to second the recommendation for Peter Deillman. I did the Danube cruise Budapest to Vienna two years ago and everything about it was great. Size, staff, food, excursions, guides, all great.

Also the scenery on the Danube was very pretty. I don't remember too many industrial spots. A lot of castle ruins and small towns.

Good luck!


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