Beer tent reservations in Stuttgart?
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:25 AM
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>I rarely run into dialects in Germany unless I happen to get an uneducated taxi driver from the countryside
This statement will get you into trouble if spoken out loudly. People will defend their language and way of life even with their bare hands if needed. Try the same with a scotsman who understands what you say...
This statement will get you into trouble if spoken out loudly. People will defend their language and way of life even with their bare hands if needed. Try the same with a scotsman who understands what you say...
Oct 12th, 2006, 07:04 AM
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logos: You're probably right. What I meant was it's hard to hear the local dialect inside most German cities as people immediately switch to high German when they recognize that you're a foreigner. I can just barely notice the local dialect or even local accent when they speak high German, except in instances where I had a hard time understanding some taxi drivers. However, in Switzerland or Bavaria (which I consider a special/exceptional state of Germany like Texas in the US), one can hear their distinctive accent even when they speak high German. I've sat through dinners where the Swiss refused to speak high German as it felt artificial/distant for them to do so since I was the only foreigner. I'm guessing that it's also an issue of pride as well for the Swiss.
hausfrau: I had an embarassing incident with Flammkuchen in a small town north of Heidelberg. The waiter had a very heavy accent & I asked if they have Flammkuechen and we all ended up with Pflaumkuchen even after I clarified to him "wie ein Pizze" It was a dumb & dumber experience.
hausfrau: I had an embarassing incident with Flammkuchen in a small town north of Heidelberg. The waiter had a very heavy accent & I asked if they have Flammkuechen and we all ended up with Pflaumkuchen even after I clarified to him "wie ein Pizze" It was a dumb & dumber experience.
Oct 12th, 2006, 01:35 PM
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Hausfrau:
Just reread your posting, thank so much for the two websites, they are just what I was looking for. The Theaterhaus is so close to Feuerbach where I have to go on Friday & Saturday. The Rosenau is so close to the Staefele and looks like a fun place but I may be somewhat lost in their Friday program and the Saturday party show would be more for twentysomethings going in a group.
Glad you mentioned Schupfnudeln, that's something that I hear often but have never tasted, I'll look for that. I imagine it would taste somewhere between spaetzle & gnocchi. Leberwurst is something I buy in the States, though I'm sure it's better where you are.
Just reread your posting, thank so much for the two websites, they are just what I was looking for. The Theaterhaus is so close to Feuerbach where I have to go on Friday & Saturday. The Rosenau is so close to the Staefele and looks like a fun place but I may be somewhat lost in their Friday program and the Saturday party show would be more for twentysomethings going in a group.
Glad you mentioned Schupfnudeln, that's something that I hear often but have never tasted, I'll look for that. I imagine it would taste somewhere between spaetzle & gnocchi. Leberwurst is something I buy in the States, though I'm sure it's better where you are.
Oct 12th, 2006, 10:47 PM
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hausfrau: I actually want to see the Kabarett at the Rosenau after reading further but I'm quite surprised how dressed up people are in the Rosenau 'buffet' pictures. It's all suit & tie, not a single sportcoat & sweater. Are people in Stuttgart really that formal when they go out to a small playhouse? I'm hoping those are pictures from a company event or a special brunch rather than a regular dinner show. Thanks for indulging me with this last question.
Oct 12th, 2006, 11:11 PM
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DAX,
I liked your Flammkuchen story. I think it happens to everyone. (My parents once ordered something in France that they thought was going to be crab cakes and it ended up being grapefruit because of accent confusion!)
Glad to hear these theaters look good to you. Honestly, I can't give you the best advice about dress since I haven't been to a playhouse here (gotta get a bit more German under my belt before I can handle that). I do find that people dress up a bit in Stuttgart for going out...it is a wealthy city and I guess people like to show their stuff, but I agree that the crowd looks pretty dressy in those photos.
logos999, I know you are in Muenchen, but maybe you can give better advice?
I liked your Flammkuchen story. I think it happens to everyone. (My parents once ordered something in France that they thought was going to be crab cakes and it ended up being grapefruit because of accent confusion!)
Glad to hear these theaters look good to you. Honestly, I can't give you the best advice about dress since I haven't been to a playhouse here (gotta get a bit more German under my belt before I can handle that). I do find that people dress up a bit in Stuttgart for going out...it is a wealthy city and I guess people like to show their stuff, but I agree that the crowd looks pretty dressy in those photos.
logos999, I know you are in Muenchen, but maybe you can give better advice?
Oct 13th, 2006, 01:41 AM
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Dressing up is not really needed, esp. for the Kabarett. What you may find is a certain understatement in dressing and behaviour. If you visit the towns around Stuttgart, this is where the money, (esp. machinery industry) and wealth is, but people don't like to show it! You simply MUST visit a "Besenwirtschaft", meet local folks and try cheap basic but good food (even if it's just Maultaschen, Saiten and Kraut) and home produced wine.
Oct 13th, 2006, 01:01 PM
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Thanks for the info to both of you.
I suppose there's a lot more manufacturing & old money than just Porsche & Mercedes in Stuttgart. Can I assume Staefelle is a super Besenwirtschaft or do any of you have a favorite foodstand in downtown where you get comfort food?
I suppose there's a lot more manufacturing & old money than just Porsche & Mercedes in Stuttgart. Can I assume Staefelle is a super Besenwirtschaft or do any of you have a favorite foodstand in downtown where you get comfort food?
Oct 13th, 2006, 02:00 PM
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It's not what you expect. A Besenwirtschaft is not open all year long. It's a room at the the homes of rather small wine growers, where they can sell their wine and only small food items. It's not a restaurant, but has a rather limited choice of local specialties. This is rather old http://www.kundenservice-center.de/b...er/stuttg1.htm
but still vaild info. Try the Zaiss Family. You can go to Stuttgart-Untertürkheim walk through the vineyards and visit all the local Besens afterwards.
but still vaild info. Try the Zaiss Family. You can go to Stuttgart-Untertürkheim walk through the vineyards and visit all the local Besens afterwards.
Oct 13th, 2006, 07:58 PM
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logos: Thanks for your tip. I would've never guessed it in a million years. Interesting name, what does it have anything to do with a broom? Einen Besen fressen?
That's the perfect thing for me to do on Sunday as I'm actually trying to find a good Wuerttemberger red wine for a German-Austrian wine tasting party. Are you recommending the Zaiss family winery for the food or their red wines?
Would you happen to know which Dornfelder/Trollinger (or other wine) has the most body ? I know none of them are known for a strong body but perhaps you have some names in mind. I realize that I can ask the local winestores, but they will just recommend what they have in stock.
That's the perfect thing for me to do on Sunday as I'm actually trying to find a good Wuerttemberger red wine for a German-Austrian wine tasting party. Are you recommending the Zaiss family winery for the food or their red wines?
Would you happen to know which Dornfelder/Trollinger (or other wine) has the most body ? I know none of them are known for a strong body but perhaps you have some names in mind. I realize that I can ask the local winestores, but they will just recommend what they have in stock.
Oct 13th, 2006, 10:03 PM
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Many put a broom in front of the entry, don't know where this tradition comes from.
>has the most body ?
Those aren't havy wines, so if you expect Bordeaux, you'll have problem finding someting like that. Trollinger is typical for the region. If you're at a winestore maybe try someting "exotic" like Zweigelt. This used to be a cheap Tyrolean wine, but has found a few wine growers in Württemberg that actually produce a really good quality. For the Austian part, get some wine from those folks: http://www.wein-rust.at/index2.htm
Zaiss is one of the best known Besens. I would walk through Untertürkheim and try a few
>has the most body ?
Those aren't havy wines, so if you expect Bordeaux, you'll have problem finding someting like that. Trollinger is typical for the region. If you're at a winestore maybe try someting "exotic" like Zweigelt. This used to be a cheap Tyrolean wine, but has found a few wine growers in Württemberg that actually produce a really good quality. For the Austian part, get some wine from those folks: http://www.wein-rust.at/index2.htm
Zaiss is one of the best known Besens. I would walk through Untertürkheim and try a few
Oct 13th, 2006, 10:10 PM
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Hope I've not just made a mistake by posting a link where to buy good and inexpensive wine... I can't afford Bordeaux anymore, since everthing is sold to Japan and the US at outrageous prices... ;-)
Oct 14th, 2006, 05:43 AM
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logos:
I already have a great Zweigelt that will please my Californian friends with Napa tastebuds. I also have found an interesting Rheinhessen grown St Laurent (Austrian origin) that tastes more like Rhone wine. Personally I appreciate every wine for what it is instead of comparing it to Napa or Bordeaux, so I know I will enjoy discerning/developing a taste for what a good Dornfelder/Trollinger or even Lemberger is supposed to taste. However, if I were to carry wine back to California, I have to take the California tastebud factor into account. Let me know if you happen to hear/know of any other good German/Austrian red that I should consider. Thanks, I'll take a look at the website you posted.
I already have a great Zweigelt that will please my Californian friends with Napa tastebuds. I also have found an interesting Rheinhessen grown St Laurent (Austrian origin) that tastes more like Rhone wine. Personally I appreciate every wine for what it is instead of comparing it to Napa or Bordeaux, so I know I will enjoy discerning/developing a taste for what a good Dornfelder/Trollinger or even Lemberger is supposed to taste. However, if I were to carry wine back to California, I have to take the California tastebud factor into account. Let me know if you happen to hear/know of any other good German/Austrian red that I should consider. Thanks, I'll take a look at the website you posted.
Oct 14th, 2006, 06:30 AM
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>California tastebud factor
Definitively try some of the wines form Rust. Giefing even sells Spätlese vinegar to drink as aperitive. For german red wines the "california tasebud" will be a problem.
Definitively try some of the wines form Rust. Giefing even sells Spätlese vinegar to drink as aperitive. For german red wines the "california tasebud" will be a problem.
Oct 14th, 2006, 12:44 PM
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We had great Swabian food at the Weinstubbe Schellenturm, Wellenstrasse 72. It's in the bean district and is a very old tower. The food was great. My trip notes also mention Kachelofen, Eberhard Strasse 10 and Murrhardter Hof, Wilhelmsplatz 6. We never had bad Schwabishe food.
We attended the Cannstatter Volksfest in 2004 during the day, so weren't worried about tickets. I had the same worry, so this worked for us. You can see my photos from that trip on my World is Round site.
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/92735/index.html
We attended the Cannstatter Volksfest in 2004 during the day, so weren't worried about tickets. I had the same worry, so this worked for us. You can see my photos from that trip on my World is Round site.
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/92735/index.html
Oct 15th, 2006, 12:22 PM
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Sorry I haven't been on the board for a few days - my parents are in town and we are about to embark on a 2+ week trip to Switzerland and France, so I must wish ter2000 and DAX an enjoyable visit in Stuttgart. I am sure you will eat and drink well!
Speaking of wine, we'll be spending a night in the Mosel Valley tomorrow. I'll sample some Rieslings for y'all.
I read that the "broom" in Besenwirtschaft comes from the tradition of the family sweeping out their house with a broom and putting it outside their door to signal that their home is clean and open for business.
Coming from California, it was hard for me to get used to drinking the lighter reds of Baden-Wuerttemberg, but now I love them, especially since I can be a bit sensitive to heavt tannins. Trollingers are a very light, easy-drinking wine...if you want to go richer than try the local Lembergers and Spaetburgunders (which in heftier varieties can compare to Merlot). A current favorite is the Spaetburgunder from Fellbacher Weingaertner.
The supermarket underneath the Karstadt department store on the Koenigstrasse (right across the street from Starbucks) actually has a great selection of local wine at good prices.
Have fun!
Speaking of wine, we'll be spending a night in the Mosel Valley tomorrow. I'll sample some Rieslings for y'all.
I read that the "broom" in Besenwirtschaft comes from the tradition of the family sweeping out their house with a broom and putting it outside their door to signal that their home is clean and open for business.
Coming from California, it was hard for me to get used to drinking the lighter reds of Baden-Wuerttemberg, but now I love them, especially since I can be a bit sensitive to heavt tannins. Trollingers are a very light, easy-drinking wine...if you want to go richer than try the local Lembergers and Spaetburgunders (which in heftier varieties can compare to Merlot). A current favorite is the Spaetburgunder from Fellbacher Weingaertner.
The supermarket underneath the Karstadt department store on the Koenigstrasse (right across the street from Starbucks) actually has a great selection of local wine at good prices.
Have fun!
Oct 16th, 2006, 06:39 AM
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Hausfrau: Have a nice trip! You've been a tremendous help in helping me find the playhouse and other things.
logos: I'm familiar with Rust but never heard of Giefing spaetlese vinegar as an appetizer drink. Is Giefing spelled correctly? You got me curious. Thanks.
logos: I'm familiar with Rust but never heard of Giefing spaetlese vinegar as an appetizer drink. Is Giefing spelled correctly? You got me curious. Thanks.
Oct 16th, 2006, 07:27 AM
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>Is Giefing spelled correctly?
Yes, it is. You can order everthing on this site, shipped to many places in Europe. However they sell fast, so there's no need for ads... The vinegar is nice and perfect to drink!, but a little on the expensive side.
Yes, it is.
You can order everthing on this site, shipped to many places in Europe. However they sell fast, so there's no need for ads... The vinegar is nice and perfect to drink!, but a little on the expensive side.
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:05 PM
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I want to thank all who helped me with my questions prior to my trip. I had a really good time in Stuttgart and wrote a short report on restaurants & entertainment in Stuttgart in case you want to add your list of places to go on the thread.
