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Underhill Nov 19th, 2007 08:35 AM

As Ms. Manners would ask, Why would you want to know?

tod Nov 19th, 2007 08:44 AM

Ize -I'm with Schuler.

RM67 Nov 19th, 2007 08:47 AM

You can't have an average of any sort (mean - arithemetic or geometric - median or mode) without more than one value. And in some cases without more than two.

Since you only have one age it's a meaningless debate as to what 'average' means. You can't have an average age. It's an absolute value.

quokka Nov 19th, 2007 09:00 AM

I'm experiencing the best ten years in a woman's life - the period when she says she's 39.

Iwan2go Nov 19th, 2007 09:05 AM

I'll be 59 on Thanksgiving! Doesn't fall on that day (Nov 22) very often. Probably the mathematically inclined can figure out how often it happens, I'm sure there's a formula for that too. :)

suec1 Nov 19th, 2007 09:16 AM

I'm 54 - I think its a legit. question. I know my travel style has changed as I've gotten older so finding out the age of fellow Fodorites might be a factor in evaluating information received here.

Susan33 Nov 19th, 2007 09:18 AM

I have trouble with those mathematical things, too. But I remember a 50-year old friend telling his father-in-law that at 50 he was now middle-aged. His FIL replied "how many 100 year old people do you know?"

Christina Nov 19th, 2007 09:48 AM

mathematically, you can have an average with only one number -- it is that number, and any statistical software should tell you that if you ran some stats to calculate the mean of a sample with only one observations. It's just a formula (sum of all observation values divided by the number of observations). You certainly don't need more than two observations to have an average, don't know why someone said that.

I have a master's in statistics and the mean and average are the exactly same thing. The "average" is just a layman's or colloquial term for mean. There are definitely other measures of central tendancy (median, mode) as some mentioned. Even a good basic dictionary defines what a mean and average are (ie, first definition in mine for average is "arithmetic mean").

The concept of an average age for an individual in abstract doesn't mean much. YOu could infinitely divide numbers into ages, also, so it wouldn't necessarily be integers to sum (ie, 15.1 years of age).

Mathematically, if you were just counting integers of ages, it is just one's average age would be just the current age divided by 2 plus 0.5. (ie, if you are 50, it would be 25.5). That would also be the median.

If you count "zero" as an age (which I don't, as you wouldn't be born), the mean or average would be exactly the age divided by 2. Or 25 if you are 50.

gruezi Nov 19th, 2007 09:49 AM

Yes, I'm with Suec1... age can make a difference in travel likes, dislikes, and desires.

Sometimes there is a lot of flack issued here to people who like to stay in luxury hotels etc... I have surmised many on this board are retired and not in the position to perhaps have an occasional windfall from a good bonus and very little vacation time and therefore feel no problem splurging for one week of the year.

My husband and I recently splurged for a 5 day stay at Palazzo Sasso on the Amalfi coast. At 47 and 50, we actually were pretty old there. Lots of young couples, many without wedding rings... We also went to Karini in Santorini and again saw lots of young couples - it was a convivial group around the pool and as we all got to talking, we found many were either not married or married with no kids. Lot's of disposable incomes and serious foodies to boot...

Plus a twenty somethings idea of a long, strenuous hike certainly wouldn't typically equate to a sixty somethings idea of one.

baldrick Nov 19th, 2007 10:11 AM

I was some 10 months old when Laika was put into orbit...
And I'll never be old, because old people are people who have some 20 years more than me...

DanM Nov 19th, 2007 10:12 AM

29. My friends are so happy that I will finally be in the same decade as them in another two weeks.

lauraallais Nov 19th, 2007 10:18 AM

Interesting question. I do think age has some effect on travel preferences, tolerance of uncomfortable situations, etc.

I'm 28 and my husband is 34.

While I imagine I am slightly on the younger side of the "average" age of posters, my travel preferences/tolerance have changed quite a bit from when I was 20 when backpacks and hostels were my norm. I'm sure they will change in the years to come as well.

RM67 Nov 19th, 2007 10:23 AM

Christine - an average is a statistic relating to distribution. By definition, if you only have one value you don't really have a 'distribution' to measure. Yes, your software will return a value, but it will be a mathamatically meaningless value.

Properly calculated averages usually come accompanied by standard deviations, standard errors or confidence limits. These cannot be calculated without two (or sometimes 3) or more values.

Your age is not a 'distribution' of the number of days/weeks/years you've lived. It's a finite value. Just one 'n' number. Calling your age divided by 2 the 'average' of your age is mathamatical b*ll*cks.



AisleSeat Nov 19th, 2007 10:41 AM

I am 16 ... going on 63.

sheila Nov 19th, 2007 10:51 AM

Does anyone apart from me feel sorry for the poor sod who posted the original question?

charnees Nov 19th, 2007 10:59 AM

Well, I'm not getting into the argument about averages. (I had enough math and statistics to understand regression analysis, so it's not that.) Just don't want to argue it.

BUT I am going to throw off the average of the ages people list here -- I am 72!! So there! I am apparently an outlier. (Get out your stat. textbooks to look that one up.) I have never apologized for my age, and don't intend to ever. In my head I am only 35, so what the heck.

But we do travel differently now. We don't backpack or sleep on the ground anymore. We don't climb to the top of the Duomo in Florence anymore. But we still don't stay in luxury hotels, because we are more relaxed in B&Bs or apartments, we get to know more Italians that way, and we'd rather splurge by staying in Italy longer. We don't go to the "in" restaurants because although we are avid foodies, we prefer the taste of the food to be the show, not architectural arrangements of it. Besides, it's less expensive to eat elsewhere, and very often just as good.

Charnee


Heimdall Nov 19th, 2007 11:44 AM

Sheila, no, I just feel sorry for all the statisticians who are missing the point. I have enjoyed this thread - why spoil it with an argument over what is statistically correct?

specs Nov 19th, 2007 11:58 AM

Dear poor sod that posted the original question,

I'd be very happy to tell you my age, but I can't count that high on my fingers. Just visualize me as forever young.

nukesafe Nov 19th, 2007 12:43 PM

Charnee,

I know this is not a contest, but I'm more of an outlier than you -- at 77.

We don't climb long flights of stairs, either, and ride the buses in Paris, rather than take the Metro, but we still have a wonderful time -- just more slowly.

:-)

willit Nov 19th, 2007 12:45 PM

I'm about 25, maybe thirty. It's just that that rapidly greying wreck of humanity that looks at me from the mirror is a fair bit older.

FainaAgain Nov 19th, 2007 01:00 PM

Working girl here :))

Carrybean Nov 19th, 2007 02:00 PM

Hey, if you're talking about average age, then I'm above average. :)

Kellye Nov 19th, 2007 02:53 PM

I'm amazed by how many people are unwilling to post their age--there has to be some sort of psychological or sociological lesson there. :-) I don't want to think too hard about that either.

For those of you 70+, I live in awe and hope that I am spry enough and financially secure enough to be travelling in Europe at that point in life. For those of you under 40, good for you for having the good sense to travel when you are younger than I started.

For what it's worth, I'm 45 and feel every bit of it some days and none of it others. I feel younger when travelling though so perhaps I should do more of it! :-)

FainaAgain Nov 19th, 2007 03:05 PM

Kellye, what do you have for those who are "sweet 16"?

BowenLinda Nov 19th, 2007 03:08 PM

lze, 52.

Can't think of anything mathematical or witty to add.

But how about that CFL western final! Who would have thought...

Dejais Nov 19th, 2007 03:09 PM

I am 49 and the only reason in the world I am posting that is because I have very little time left to say it as that damn 5-0 is creeping up rather quickly.

However, it was a rather good excuse to plan another trip to Paris so I guess there is a good trade off to getting older! ;)

J_Correa Nov 19th, 2007 03:24 PM

33 and my husband is 36.

We had a discussion about age and travel when we went to New Orleans in June. We went to NO for our honeymoon and this last trip was for our 5th anniversary. We were talking about our plans to return for our 10th anniversary and I told my husband that I think by then we will be mature enough to want to try out some of the more pricey restaurants ;) We speculated as to whether or not we think we will have outgrown Bourbon St by then. I don't think I will ever outgrow Bourbon St :)

Apres_Londee Nov 19th, 2007 03:32 PM

I'm 29 and I couldn't add anything mathematical even if I wanted to. My mind started reeling at the first mention of means, medians and modes. Just typing that gave me chest pains.

Padraig Nov 19th, 2007 03:57 PM

Kellye wrote: "I'm amazed by how many people are unwilling to post their age..."

I'm not.

First, it's not very relevant to most discussions here -- exceptions arising in instances such as people want guidance on activities that suit young singles on the pull, or want to know about seniors' concessions.

Second, most people here guard their privacy to a greater or lesser extent.

How might people feel if I asked about their annual incomes?

suze Nov 19th, 2007 04:03 PM

Kellye~ well then obviously you are younger than I am
:-)

VirginiaC Nov 19th, 2007 04:22 PM

I'm 69, my husband is 76. Since our retirement, we try to spend a month in Europe every 18 months or so. We're planning a brief cruise through tulip country, some museum hopping in Antwerp, and a three-week stop in London in April, 2008. We made our first trip to London in 1974, bringing along our 13 year old daughter. She grew up and became a travel agent.

Have we made adjustments to our travel style over the last 30+ years? Of course. We take things more slowly. We savor. We stop when we're tired. We take public transportation when we start out on a day's adventure but often take a taxi home. If we have theater tickets in the evening, we have a nap in the afternoon.

We still enjoy discovering things. While we've visited Belgium before, Antwerp will be a new experience. From London we'll visit friends in Wales and run up to Cambridge to see the college where we attended summer sessions, but we'll also seek out new places. Last spring, it was Chester. This year, maybe we'll head to Glasgow.

And when we get home, we'll start saving and planning for our next trip.

jim21 Nov 19th, 2007 04:32 PM

Hmmmm...sounds like Padraig is really, really old. Not to mention grumpy. I am guessing around 85. That will skew the average...or is it the mean?

tcreath Nov 19th, 2007 05:09 PM

I'm 28 and my husband is 30.

I will go on to say that I don't think that age necessarily has a lot to do with how people respond to and view certain things. I still consider myself fairly young but I will take a nice glass of wine in a beautiful piazza over a drunken night at a club any day. We all come from different walks of life, different cultures, have different experiences. That's what makes this board so great.

Tracy

csp18 Nov 19th, 2007 06:05 PM

I'm 29 and new here, planning a honeymoon

carolyn Nov 19th, 2007 06:08 PM

Well, at least a couple of you have made me feel "younger." I'm 71.

My niece and I went to Italy in the spring. She climbed to the top of St. Peter's, climbed the Spanish steps, and every other flight of steps we came across, in fact, walked the wall in Lucca, etc. I mostly sat and watched her do it, but I had a lovely time, anyway.

justretired Nov 19th, 2007 06:32 PM

I think the original poster asked a fair question. In my last trip report:

"Three weeks in Bonnieux (Provence)"
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...p;tid=35087107

I started off giving our ages as "mid sixties" right at the top. It helps readers evaluate our experience.

There are Fodor's regulars who often reply to a posting within minutes, no matter the time of day. I often assume they are retired, are probably older, like me, and use the computer as a form of socializing. This is just an assumption, of course. Perhaps some of them are posting from their desks at work.

It's interesting to form impressions of a personality without a face, and, sometimes, without a known gender.

- Larry

LosAngeles90004 Nov 19th, 2007 07:10 PM

I also think this is an interesting topic.

I almost always travel with my husband and child. We are of radically different ages (65,33, and 4: that makes us an AVERAGE age of 34, just to keep that part of the topic going) but always manage to take trips that have something for all of us.

raspberryberet Nov 19th, 2007 08:39 PM

28 (NEWLY 28 ;) )

raspberryberet Nov 19th, 2007 08:40 PM

<b>p.s., LosAngeles90004,</b>

hi neighbor!!

raspberry, 90036

sarge56 Nov 19th, 2007 08:49 PM

Patrick, &lt;&lt; I'm as old as my tongue and a bit older than my teeth&gt;&gt;...

you and St. Nick, eh? (Miracle on 34th Street)

I'm the same age my mom was at this age, but I am SOOO much younger than she was at this age. :-))

I am a glorious 51 yrs, 6 months and 1 day. :)


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