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MERLOT Sep 20th, 2007 12:35 PM

AV or ES train, same price
 
If I have a choice between Av or ES at the same price which should I choose? Thanks

rkkwan Sep 20th, 2007 01:07 PM

If your route has both and the times are same, then no difference. Same type of trainsets, same speed.

The AV trains will have at least one portion on real high-speed tracks, like Rome to Naples. If you're going on that part, or Milan-Turin, then doesn't matter.

MERLOT Sep 20th, 2007 01:09 PM

I will be going from Florence to Rome and there seems to be about 6 min. less time with AV.
Is one more comfortable than the other in 2nd class.

rkkwan Sep 20th, 2007 01:14 PM

All ES* and AV trains I see between Florence and Rome take around 1:35 - 1:37. Like I said, same train set for most (ETR500; except for a few ES* that may use the older ETR460), same speed.

Just get the one with the schedule that fits you.

Difference is that a AV train on this route will continue to Naples on the highspeed track. A ES* most likely terminates in Rome.

rkkwan Sep 20th, 2007 01:18 PM

Are you talking about the 10:10a ES* that takes 1:45 rather than 1:37? This train <b>does not</b> depart from Florence Santa Maria Novella, the main station, but from Florence Rifredi, which I have no idea where it is.

rkkwan Sep 20th, 2007 01:25 PM

I can tell you that the 13:20 ES9311 comes down from Bolzano and is likely to be on the older ETR460. Take the 13:31 one instead.

MERLOT Sep 20th, 2007 01:26 PM

Thanks Rkkwan,
I had not even noticed that the train left from a different station.
Thanks for that tip.
So looking at other options both EV and AV are same amount of time and same price. I thought that maybe since I hear the AV are newer they might be nicer????

rkkwan Sep 20th, 2007 01:38 PM

AV is a <b>new service</b> on the highspeed tracks. But all the existing ETR500s can run on both highspeed and lowspeed tracks, and they're all new and nice.

AVs are not <b>new trains</b>.

MERLOT Sep 20th, 2007 01:56 PM

Thanks Rkkwan,
I now understand.
Like you said earlier then I will get the one most convient to my timetable.

kybourbon Sep 20th, 2007 02:18 PM

Supposedly, the AV trains are updated to include more space and power points to appeal to business travelers. Also welcome drinks are provided in 2nd class.


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