Armistice
Nov 10th, 2016, 12:57 PM
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Thanks, WoinParis. We forgot about that because we have a business meeting outside Angoulème tomorrow, but were thinking about doing some touring in the Charente that might be affected by the holiday.
Nov 10th, 2016, 01:01 PM
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Nor in the Netherlands, which was neutral in WW1.
Here we celebrate Sint Maarten on the 11 November and it is a big day for the carnaval guilds, though I have no idea what they get up to apart from getting drunk.
I have to remember to buy some sweets for the kids who will come round tomorrow evening with their lanterns and Sint Maarten songs.
Here we celebrate Sint Maarten on the 11 November and it is a big day for the carnaval guilds, though I have no idea what they get up to apart from getting drunk.
I have to remember to buy some sweets for the kids who will come round tomorrow evening with their lanterns and Sint Maarten songs.
Nov 10th, 2016, 01:06 PM
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For those who forgot and are in France or Belgium tomorrow, 11th november is to be treated as a Sunday.>>
it's a normal day in the UK save that in public buildings and on the media, a 2 minute silence is observed at 11 minutes past 11.
it's a normal day in the UK save that in public buildings and on the media, a 2 minute silence is observed at 11 minutes past 11.
Nov 10th, 2016, 01:35 PM
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tipsygus - I think we are both right:
http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/reme...inute-silence/
Certainly in the court building in Truro there will be a 2 minute silence at 11.11 tomorrow.
http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/reme...inute-silence/
Certainly in the court building in Truro there will be a 2 minute silence at 11.11 tomorrow.
Nov 10th, 2016, 01:35 PM
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Italy celebrates the end of WWI on the 4th of November, which is when they signed an armistice with the Austria-Hungarian army after the Italian victory known as the Vittorio Veneto.
Neither the Italians nor the Austria-Hungarians fought any more after that armistice, so for the Italians the war ended on the 4th of November. The battle lasted for over a week, and the imperial army, already at the end of its rope, completely came to pieces in the final days.
During the battle, the city of Trieste rose up and declared its intention of breaking away from the Austria-Hungarian Empire and uniting with Italy. The Empire was really no longer a viable entity, and was rent by other nationalistic conflicts, so they didn't really put up any opposition to this. That's how Trieste and the adjacent areas on the other side of the Adriatic became Italian. Trieste itself had a large Italian majority, but the rural areas that came under Italian control were largely Slovenian, and there was a good deal of resistance, especially in the Italian Fascist era.
The 4th of November used to be a national holiday in Italy, but it no longer is. Towns usually have ceremonies and wreath laying, if not on the actual day, on the nearest weekend. Our town had its ceremony this year on the 6th, a Sunday.
The famous Via Veneto in Rome is really Via Vittorio Veneto, which commemorates the Italian victory and the end of the war.
Neither the Italians nor the Austria-Hungarians fought any more after that armistice, so for the Italians the war ended on the 4th of November. The battle lasted for over a week, and the imperial army, already at the end of its rope, completely came to pieces in the final days.
During the battle, the city of Trieste rose up and declared its intention of breaking away from the Austria-Hungarian Empire and uniting with Italy. The Empire was really no longer a viable entity, and was rent by other nationalistic conflicts, so they didn't really put up any opposition to this. That's how Trieste and the adjacent areas on the other side of the Adriatic became Italian. Trieste itself had a large Italian majority, but the rural areas that came under Italian control were largely Slovenian, and there was a good deal of resistance, especially in the Italian Fascist era.
The 4th of November used to be a national holiday in Italy, but it no longer is. Towns usually have ceremonies and wreath laying, if not on the actual day, on the nearest weekend. Our town had its ceremony this year on the 6th, a Sunday.
The famous Via Veneto in Rome is really Via Vittorio Veneto, which commemorates the Italian victory and the end of the war.
Nov 10th, 2016, 01:41 PM
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ah the war to end all wars!
so many lives lost needlessly and the aftermath caused WW2.
I always paused on the 11th minute of the 11th hour on the 11th of November- so many young folk needlessly dying or being maimed.
Thanks for posting.
so many lives lost needlessly and the aftermath caused WW2.
I always paused on the 11th minute of the 11th hour on the 11th of November- so many young folk needlessly dying or being maimed.
Thanks for posting.
Nov 10th, 2016, 02:06 PM
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In the States the 11th of November has been morphed into an all inclusive "Veteran's Day", celebrated as a national holiday. All Federal offices and the post office will be closed, as well as many State offices. One seldom hears any reference to Armistice Day nowadays.
Nov 10th, 2016, 02:46 PM
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<< One seldom hears any reference to Armistice Day nowadays.>>
Compared to the Entente and Alliance powers that fought in WWI, the US's participation and damage from the war is small because the US was involved for less than 25% of the conflict. To the US, WWII is far more important because of how it was attacked without provocation, how it finalized its Pacific front victory, and the reordering of the world powers thereafter.
Compared to the Entente and Alliance powers that fought in WWI, the US's participation and damage from the war is small because the US was involved for less than 25% of the conflict. To the US, WWII is far more important because of how it was attacked without provocation, how it finalized its Pacific front victory, and the reordering of the world powers thereafter.
Nov 10th, 2016, 03:03 PM
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My Grandfather and Great Uncle served during WW1. My Grandfather saw no action but my Great Uncle Nick was shell shocked till the day he died.
IN FLANDERS FIELDS POEM
The World’s Most Famous WAR MEMORIAL POEM
By Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae
Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place: and in the sky
The larks still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead: Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved: and now we lie
In Flanders fields!
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw
The torch: be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields
IN FLANDERS FIELDS POEM
The World’s Most Famous WAR MEMORIAL POEM
By Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae
Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place: and in the sky
The larks still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead: Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved: and now we lie
In Flanders fields!
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw
The torch: be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields
Nov 10th, 2016, 08:13 PM
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Whether for the honorees or to be aware of how it might affect one’s time, it’s good to make note of the day – thanks, WoinParis!
I’ll add my thanks to all of those who served, sacrificed, or suffered so that so very many of the rest of us can live with freedom.
I’ll add my thanks to all of those who served, sacrificed, or suffered so that so very many of the rest of us can live with freedom.
Nov 11th, 2016, 01:45 AM
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In Australia 11 November is Remembrance Day and a minutes silence at 11 with the wearing of a red poppy. All ways makes me feel a bit sad that WW 1 is overlooked and I would like it to be as big as ANZAC day.
Nov 11th, 2016, 06:21 AM
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Did the whole vicar in full flowing gowns, the boy scout bugler, the old, the young all wearing poppies, the saying of prayers etc in the remembrance garden at 11 this am. As usual very moving.
When I was young buses and lorries used to stop for the 2 minutes and people would get off the bus to show their respect, but that has stopped.
Sunday is more .... for the administration to show their respect.
When I was young buses and lorries used to stop for the 2 minutes and people would get off the bus to show their respect, but that has stopped.
Sunday is more .... for the administration to show their respect.
Nov 11th, 2016, 06:38 AM
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Something I heard on the radio this morning which I hadn't known:
No UK service personnel have been killed in action so far in 2016. If this continues until the end of December, it will make it only the second year since 1945 when this has happened (The previous being 1968)
No UK service personnel have been killed in action so far in 2016. If this continues until the end of December, it will make it only the second year since 1945 when this has happened (The previous being 1968)
Nov 11th, 2016, 07:03 AM
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>>Sunday is more .... for the administration to show their respect<<
Fair dos, it also enables people who can't just take time off work to attend - and that's pretty important for the Whitehall ceremony, after the dignitaries have done their stuff, as well as local ones.
Fair dos, it also enables people who can't just take time off work to attend - and that's pretty important for the Whitehall ceremony, after the dignitaries have done their stuff, as well as local ones.
