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Are there any US notaries coming to northern Italy?

Are there any US notaries coming to northern Italy?

Old Dec 5th, 2001, 08:57 AM
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Are there any US notaries coming to northern Italy?

I would like to meet up with someone that is willing to notarize an NDR (national drivers record). It is for the state of Ohio but I was told to have it notarized no matter what state I am from.
Therefore, anyone that is a US notary public from any state can do this for me.
I am willing to meet you and pay for your services.
I need to be able to meet someone that will be in the Milan area or passing through Malpensa. I am willing to drive one or two hours on either side to meet up with you.
Before others tell me, I do know that the consulate in Milan does this service, but they charge way to much.
If you are not willing to post here, will you please email me?
Thank you.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 09:05 AM
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Leigh -

Many large U.S. law firms have offices in Milan, and they always have notaries. Try searching www.martindalehubble.com for someone.

How much is the consulate charging?
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 11:03 AM
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You can have a document notarized at an embassy too. Also, try an American Express or Thomas Cook office.

I recall years ago having a similar problem when I needed to have a client sign documents abroad that needed to be notarized or attested too, he went into a bank, and the bank officer witnessed the documents, and used some sort of stamp on them that has the same effect as a jurat.

I believe that a notary can only notarize documents in the state he/she is a notary in. For example, if you are a notary, you can notarize documents within the confines of the State of New Jersey, but not outside New Jersey, be it New York, Milan or anywhere else.

Hope this information is of some help.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 11:19 AM
Santa chiara
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I have had the same problem, and those responding previously have given you sound advice. In the first place, even if it is legal, who will be traveling with their notary stuff? Secondly, just pay the damn consulate fee. How much is it, anyway?

In my case, the business I was dealing with waived the requirement after consulting with its lawyer. I only had to have the document witnessed.

I realize that your problem is with a state bureaucracy but this is one of the many problems of living abroad. Sometimes you just have to pay for the privilege.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 01:30 PM
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Santa chiara: Vai a quel paese.
Holly: Thank you, I did take a look and saw two american names that I will try tomorrow, but it doesn't look good as they are all italian firms. I'll find out tomorrow.
Leslie: Prices with the embassy and consulate are the same. You don't have to price shop with them.
However, thank you for the idea of American Express or Thomas Cook, I think there is even one at MXP (that is if they are the ones that change money).

Holly: the fees being asked are $55 per document.
That may not seem like a lot to some, but it is for me. When you consider that I need three at $55 each totaling $165 with a conversion rate in my money at 2.1-2.2 that makes it about 350 bucks for me.
( now don't anyone go crazy,as though it is cheap for americans, 1 lire is to me what 1 dollar is to you so think of taking $350 out of your pocket). All this just so you can fill out an application for a job, that you don't even know if you will be given an opportunity to be interviewed, let alone given a job.
Paying 350 for some may not be a problem but it is for me and especially when my home is Florida and I get notaries for free through my credit union. I also looked up on the internet about notary fees and the state of Ohio is extremely cheap.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 03:39 PM
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Try a major commercial bank and speak to a bank officer. There is probably another form that they can use similar to a jurat statement saying the same thing, that the bank officer can attest too.

Also, I did a search in Martindale Hubbell (www.martindale.com) of lawyers in Milan that speak both Italian and English. I came up with 29 different lawyers. Look for attorneys that specialize in banking and probate work, as those documents need to be notarized.

I'll list a couple here, although the search did not list telephone numbers:

Richard Wilkins
Simmons & Simmons
Corso Vittorio Emanuele, 1, Milan, Italy

Practice areas: Banking; Capital Markets

Charles Adams
Grimaldi Clifford Chance
Via Clerici 7, Milan, Italy

Practice areas: Banking Law; Finance; Property Finance

It's at least worth a telephone call -- if these attorneys can't help you, at least they will point you in the right direction.

Old Dec 5th, 2001, 04:26 PM
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Leigh -

It doesn't sound like you need to limit yourself to attorneys who speak both Italian and English. From the looks of your post and the document you need notarized, just English would be fine.

I also don't believe you need to limit yourself to firms that do banking or probate - notaries are needed for all sorts of legal documents.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 04:59 PM
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Holly --

I narrowed the search to English because Holly speaks English and since Holly is in Italy, I can only guess that she speaks Italian. Also, I was looking for English speaking attorneys with American sounding last names, knowing that these attorneys are from the US and know what a jurat or notary is. I was just trying to be helpful. Also, working for a law firm myself, I was looking for attorneys that have an international practice -- that is usually in banking. Of course, there are many documents that need to be notarized, but if Holly is not fluent in Italian she might have difficulty explaining what she needs. For that matter an American attorney working abroad may be able to find an alternative solution to her problem, if in fact, there is no such thing as a notarizing a document. Better that the attorney also be fluent in Italian, because if he/she can't notarize the document, he can at least tell Holly or write out in Italian who she should see, with a note detailing what Holly needs in Italian.

I don't think my search would have been wise, for example, if I searched for attorneys in Italy that are only fluent in Chinese, if Holly does not speak Chinese.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 05:03 PM
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Oops ... should have proofed what I wrote before I pushed that darn button. Please substitute "Leigh" for "Holly" in all places after the first "Holly". Sorry.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 05:38 PM
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The information you are looking for can be found here: http://www.italconsdetroit.org/legale/apostille.htm

The correct term abroad is called Apostille.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 05:47 PM
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"Notaio" is notary in Italian. Check the yellow pages in Milan for one. However, if the document needs a U.S. seal on it, you will have no choice but to go to the American Embassy or Consulate and pay the high fee.
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 07:23 PM
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Leslie -

All I was suggesting was that I don't think she needs to narrow her search in the some of the ways you've suggested. On top of that, Leigh is in need of a U.S notary - and as I said, any major US law firm in Milan will be able to help her out with this problem. Telling her that there may be "no such thing as notarizing a document there" there isn't going to help - and it isn't true.

Leigh - my roommate from law school works for Baker & McKenzie here in Chicago, and they will be able to help you. She may even be able to call in a favor and get it done on the cheap or even for free. Let me know if I can help, or just call the office directly (or any other US firm located there). The high charges are a total scam - all they do is witness a signature
Old Dec 5th, 2001, 11:10 PM
Santa Chiara
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Sorry, Leigh, about my flip answer. I didn't realize it cost so much. Anyway, looks like you received some good advice from some very helpful people. And I learned a lot myself, reading this thread. Just one thing. I don't understand what you mean "Vai a quel paese." (Go to that country?) Spiega, per favore.
Old Dec 6th, 2001, 01:17 AM
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Holly and Leslie: You both are being very helpful, thank you.
Yes, I am american and fluent in Italian. I do need a US notary not an italian one ( they are a dime a dozen here too).
Holly, if your friend really wants to help, and thinks it is possible, I am willing.

I am going to try out all these ideas and see where they lead me later today (no time now) and will let you all know.
I really appreciate the help.

Santa Chiara: Since you said you are sorry, then so am I in return for my "flip" reply to you. I apologize.
Since we are offering our apologies to one another, it is best if I do not translate. It has another meaning other than the word for word translatation, and it was not friendly.
Old Dec 6th, 2001, 08:00 AM
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Only three US based law firms have offices in Milan and only one of them has a resident American attorney. The firms are:
Baker & McKenzie
3 Piazza Meda
(39-02) 76231-1

Squire, Sanders & Dempsey
Piazza San Babila, 3
(39-01) 7772-1511

White & Case Varrenti e Associati
Via Cappuccini 19
(39-02) 6200-101
Kenneth Lee,the managing partner in this office, is from the US.

Good luck!

Old Dec 7th, 2001, 05:45 AM
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Hi everyone.
Just wanted to let you all know............

American Express in Milan does not answe the phone ( one lawyer just told me it is a holiday there today so I will try tomorrow).
Thomas Cook is not in Italy according to their home site.

The lawyers Baker & McKenzie were not able to help, no americans.
Squire, Sanders, & Dempsey were very helpful, telling me to check the original site mentioned above for american names, but they couldn't help either, no americans working for them either.

The office with Kenneth Lee has a phone service answering, so they are obviously out as well.

I really appreciate the help from you all, but if no one is willing to bring along their stamper on vacation, I am sure I will have to pay the consulate, or wait till I get back to the US in a few months (UGH, I wanted to apply now).
If anyone has any more ideas, let me know.
Old Dec 9th, 2001, 03:53 PM
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santa chiara thanks for the laugh. i read your comment in itqalian and roared because i have not heard that particular one since i was with the relatives in roma. its funny what and when a phrase will bring back memories

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