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Jun 22nd, 2012, 07:37 AM
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ISE and its clone AESU - rivals with AESU an off-shoot of ICE - both run by Austrians no doubt succombed to the likes of Contiki student tours - maybe even selling their strictly profit-making private enterprises cleaverly posed as student-university affiliated groups to Contiki.
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Jul 22nd, 2012, 08:34 PM
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Hi Brian, I was in your group, my name is Martha, I was the only married one there bedsides an older couple that were teachers, I don´t recall from which state. The bus driver´s name and our guide were Fritz from Austria. Have you been in contact with anyone else from th group?
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Aug 12th, 2013, 07:59 PM
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I was on trip number J-32 that left on the 54 day tour of Europe on 6/28/1981. Our tour guide was an Austrian named Max and I believe our bus driver was named Werner but I am not sure. I have a German foreign exchange student coming to stay at my home this Sunday and the name of the organization is ISE (International Student Exchange) but I can't find any connection with the Club Europe / ISE out of Urbana, Illinois.
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Oct 19th, 2013, 02:03 PM
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I was on 1980 tour I believe it was M-27.. Our bus ran off the road in Switzerland.
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Oct 20th, 2013, 10:40 AM
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AESU was ISE's arch rival and was a split off from the Austrian bloke at Urbana who started ISE tours - they both thrived on posterers posting posters at colleges across the country - young Austrians - these both were Austrian-dominated eterprises - even though they were residents of the U.S.

Funny to see one set of posters put up one day and the next when the other group came through to see in place of one the rival's posters - twas a cut-throat business.

Both trips were peas in pods - AESU was a Left Coast operation and dominated more out there.

Both fraudulently IMO tried to portray themselves as bona fide student groups sponsored by universities - with the sign in front of the ISE house in Urbna carefully made to mimic official signs at I-U.

The Austria Mafia of student travel in the 70s and 80s.
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Nov 17th, 2013, 10:51 AM
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I took that tour in 1969 from the U of Illinois, and like you, I thought it was connected to the university. Anyway, it was an awesome trip! Our guide was an Austrian named Willie, and the bus driver was a German named Alfred, and they became a stand up comeddy routine for we 33 girls! We traveled on a Mercedes Benz bus for 7 or 8 weeks and it was also only $999. Four years later my brother went on the same tour. If anyone was on that June 19-Aug.8, 1969 tour, it would be fun to hear from you. I remember that the first meal we got on the trip was in Paris. Chicken soup with a chicken leg (complete with claw) lying in the middle of chicken boullion! It totally grossed me out! Blois, France smelled like a chocolate factory, Naples gave us a whole fish with tail and eyeballs for lunch! I LOST weight on that trip!
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Jan 1st, 2014, 11:22 AM
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I happen to see this correspondence and the repeated reference that the University of Illinois sign in front of Europa House was a fraud, and somehow tainted the integrity of Club Europe. I was the General Manager of the company for a couple of years in the mid 80's and can assure everyone that this sign referred to the building, "Europa House", which was (and I think still is) approved and accredited University of Illinois housing. Club Europa rented office space in the ground floor of that building - and, yes Roland Stemmler also owned the building. At that time students attending the university were required to live either in university dormitories, fraternities, sororities, or university approved off-campus housing, like "Europa House"....hence the sign in front of the building, identifying "Europe House" as university approved housing. I hope this lays to rest anyone's concern that this sign was somehow fraudulent.
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Jan 1st, 2014, 01:37 PM
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Perhaps the sign was not fraudulent but the literature was in terms of highly suggesting that this was a unversity based educational tour - I knew an Austrian from Eastern Michigan University who ran similar bona fide study abroad tours and the ISE (and its sister break-off group AESU in California) - all including the EMU Prof being from Austria - and the tactics of ISE promoters and posters - Austrian student teams of posterers plastered the country's campuses with their Study Abroad posters - funny one day ISE posters would be all over and the next day AESU whose Austrian student posterers had torn the competitive down - it worked both ways.

And look at the OP's statement: "It was sponsored by the University of Illinois and a university in Austria (maybe Vienna)" - not sure about the Vienese university but it had NO relation to the University of Illinois and that the OP thought it was proves my point of fraudulent representation of being a university-sponsored entity and the house sign only furthered that connection - ( but I take you at your word that that may have been Hoyle - but overall the contrived connection was fradulant IME.

somehow tainted the integrity of Club Europe.> OK the sign may not have but overall the attempt to portray it as a University sponsored tour when in fact it was a private huge profit-making entity was totally fradulant from what I know.
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Jan 4th, 2014, 09:25 PM
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My first job out of college was working for ISE, now called Club Europa. Both Club Europa and the arch-rival,AESU, have current websites (though CE may have a different business model). I was 21. When I worked there, the literature in no way suggested any official U of I connection, nor were we instructed to say as much on the phone. In fact, I was always quite clear about what it was we offered: tour groups tailored to young adults in their late teens and early twenties on a strict budget. We never suggested it was a bona fide study abroad program -- though there was a paragraph in the catalog that said some students were able to get Independent Study credit and to check with your University to pursue that. It was a private company located in a building owned by Mr. Stemmler that did provide University approved apartment style living for girls. There was even a pool; the housing was very nice. It was a very small company, in fact., with less than 10 employees in the state-side office. We worked in the basement with no airconditioning because it all had to go to the computer room. What took an entire room back then (1983-85) now pales in comparison to the computing power in my phone! For the time, it was state of the art, I guess. I personally saw to the tours of over 1500 kids each year I worked there. I also had the opportunity to meet groups in London one summer -- and I met/worked with afore-mentioned Wolfgang. They were a business run on the cheap, and everything that can accompany that, but they were not fraudulent. The tours were real and delivered what they promised in the catalogs. People often called with questions and assumptions that reflected only a cursory reading of the literature; perhaps this explains contributors' assertion that the place was a fraud. I can't speak for the literature published before I worked there, however! We had so many people going on the tours, and we had to call ALL of them afterward for feedback. The vast majority of travelers loved their tour; complaints were exceedingly rare. Just wanted to say that; haven't had any association with the place in nearly 30 years.
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Jan 5th, 2014, 02:01 PM
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Nevertheless this person who took a tour was led somehow to believe it was sponsored by the University of Illinois as many IME were - that used to drive Prof Fenz, from Eastern Michigan University who ran a bona fide academic for credit trip similar to the Austrian mafias crazy.

Not saying they weren't great tours - just that the idea they were a university sponsored tour that OP claimed it was was untrue and how he/she got that impression? You tell me - anyone who goes on a tour and does not realize that it is not sponsored by the University of Illinois - well that is hard to believe.

Again the tours may well have been great deals and great fun - that I am not saying. Just the obvious mis-representation that Prof Fenz, the late Prof Fenz, who I knew personally, could tell you a whole lot more about.

. I traveled with ISE (International Student Exchange). It was sponsored by the University of Illinois and a university in Austria (maybe Vienna).
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Sep 8th, 2018, 05:01 PM
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Amazing to find this thread! Was wondering if the organization still is in existence when I found my old itinerary and my now college age daughter is exploring options to travel to Europe! I wish ISE still was around in its original form. A 54 day comprehensive Europe tour for students - that’s affordable- just doesn’t seem to exist anymore. I traveled in 1980 - group M-24. I misbehaved to an embarrassing extent haha but hey, what happens in Europe stays in Europe. Best summer ever. Can’t believe I found a thread about it after all these years!
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