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Anyone else find Spain unfriendly to Americans?

Anyone else find Spain unfriendly to Americans?

Jun 29th, 2004, 05:52 PM
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Anyone else find America unfriendly Spaniards?
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Jun 29th, 2004, 09:01 PM
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LOL cigalechanta. I don't know how many "they're cowering to terrorist" comments I heard, including in mainstream newspapers, after the new Spanish PM withdrew troops from Iraq. ...
I was all over Spain in May - Madrid, Granada, the Costa del Sol and Barcelona - and didn't once feel hostility. The fact that Americans are visiting their country doesn't make Spaniards dance, sing and do backflips. We're just another in the 60 million or so tourists in their country.
Yes, there's a great deal of hostility toward U.S. government policy in Spain, Europe and the World. (Hell, there's plenty of hostility toward it in NY, San Francisco or DC). I noticed "F... USA" scrawled in a Barcelona metro station. But not once did it get personal or uncomfortable. I felt very much at home, and with moderate Spanish skills, had some very good conversations with Spaniards about the state of the world.
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Jun 29th, 2004, 09:33 PM
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"Detecting hostility" and misinterpreting interactions with others are two different things. Since most who posted have apparently had good recent experiences in Spain and no feeling of resentment or unfriendliness as Americans, I assume they feel those who feel they were mistreated may have been incorrect. I would hardly consider that "jumping" at the OP. And I agree, if this was important to Vetty why didn't he/she check back?
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Jun 29th, 2004, 10:00 PM
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When I've read these threads debating whether people in a given country are ever anti-American, I sense that Americans who don't mind the U.S. government being bashed would not be uncomfortable in Europe, whatever was said there about the U.S. They wouldn't take that as "anti-American", but another American, who may be pro-Bush, would indeed find that offensive, and come home angry, charging hostility towards Americans. I disagree that you can differentiate between our government and our citizens. We choose our government representatives so we are, in fact, our government.

I'm on the fence to some degree. I don't approve of some of our current policies but I would not want someone from another country cutting our leaders down when I'm there trying to enjoy my vacation! I would take that as hostility to ME.
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Jun 30th, 2004, 12:13 AM
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Oh, OK, I'll fold - you guys are right. We've been trying hard to hide it, but you are just TOO perceptive. A business associate of mine in Madrid mentioned just the other day that his brother-in-law's sister-in-law, who owns a bar, was systematically withholding olives from American citizens. I strongly suspect a similar embargo is going on in London with pickled onions and in Rome with dried oregano. Any first-hand reports?
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Jun 30th, 2004, 02:08 AM
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Jun 30th, 2004, 02:19 AM
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Yes, I agree that this must be a troll posting! Vetty has not been back to elaborate. Yet maybe he/she did experience hostility due to his or her nationality.
As much as I love Spain, I have never found it to be an extremely friendly country but not a rude one either. I lived in Spain 2 years and have been going to going there for 22 years and although I have friends there it took time to develop these friendships. At first I thought people were very difficult to approach coming from my North American upbinging. If you expect people to greet you at a restaurant with " Hi my name is Carmen and I'll be your waitress, have a nice day" and with a smile from ear to ear, its not going to happen. If you are going to Spain, lower you expectations. Its now like Costa Rica, Argentina or Mexico. (Three very friendly countries IMOH)
I am from Boston! Now there's a really friendly city!! Not! Actually we Bostonians are nicer to tourists than we are to each other!
Jun 30th, 2004, 02:32 AM
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I meant to say that its NOT like Costa Rica, Mexico or Argentina. Typo!
Jun 30th, 2004, 03:21 AM
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>...withholding olives from American citizens. I strongly suspect a similar embargo is going on in London with pickled onions and in Rome with dried oregano.<

On the contrary. On our visit to the Amalfi Coast our host introduced us to caperberries for our American Martinis.

We now can't do without them.
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Jun 30th, 2004, 03:25 AM
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A dry martini with caperberries makes a change from the Gibson or Bradford methods (olives and cocktail onions). What vermouth do you use? Have you tried some blonde lillet?
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Jun 30th, 2004, 03:55 AM
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Hi m_k

Unfortunately, my Lady Wife discovered that Martini & Rossi was much better than Gallo.

My bar bill has gone up somewhat.
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Jun 30th, 2004, 04:30 AM
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I was there in January. I thought the Spaniards were great and I never felt a moment's hostility. On that same trip I went to Morocco. In such a Muslim nation I did expect some hostility, but the Moroccans soon made me feel very welcome. No problems there either.

I think because of the current situation many Americans expect to be treated badly overseas, so they only remember the few who are bad, and forget the many who are good. And those who do treat you badly are probably crabby with everyone. Most people will treat you the way you treat them, so the Spaniards, the Moroccans, and I all got along just fine.
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Jun 30th, 2004, 05:08 AM
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Ira, for your information my friend was filming one of their parades on the street. There were Spaniards filming too but only we attracted glum looks. Could it be because we are both blond females? I don't know but we found it hostile. Also when we arrived some youths were snickering at us as we dragged our luggage through the street trying to find our hotel and some old lady tried to spook us up by telling us to watch out or we'd be mugged. We were glad to leave.
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Jun 30th, 2004, 07:28 AM
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What does being "blonde" have to do with anything? There are plenty of blondes in Spain. In fact, I work with a pure Castilian woman and she has natural flaming-red hair. Not all the citizens of Spain are dark. That is a stereotype.

Sorry, Leelani, but I disagree with you. You can protest American policies without HATING the US. Even Ron Reagan Jr. and Nancy Reagan are against the policies of the Bush administration.
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Jun 30th, 2004, 09:18 AM
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Lauralamb: The old woman was not trying to "spook us up by telling us to watch out or we'd be mugged." She was telling you the truth. Official publications by the Spanish Tourist Office warn travellers to be extremely careful in Seville; it is unfortunately true that Seville has a higher rate of street crime than most other Spanish cities.

And if you had gone to Seville having prepared for your trip, you would have known it yourself.

So if you misunderstood a well-intentioned old woman, is it not possible that you misinterpreted other signs of what you took to be hostility?

On the other hand, it is quite possible that some looks were hostile. Tell me, what exactly were you wearing when you were taking pictures of the religious processions? Spain and Seville are deeply conservative in religious matters. It is quite possible that something that you were wearing would have been regarded as disrespectful and deserving of hostile looks.

Again, if you had prepared a little for your trip, you would have known that as well.

The various cultures in the world are under no obligation to adapt to your uninformed ideas of what is right.
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