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Any Safety concerns in these greater London areas?

Old Oct 5th, 2008, 06:52 AM
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Apres_Londee - GREAT! I look forward to your report back. Are you going to arrive and depart via Clapton Station?

Have a great trip. (BTW, because you had mentioned about attending an ENO opera, I ended up buying myself a ticket to Aida at the ENO.)
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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 07:45 AM
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Thanks, yk. I think Vivien Westwood did the costumes for Aida, so that should be really interesting.

I'm staying near the Archway tube so we might just take the bus, but I still need to look it up and figure out the best route.

btw I've always been under the impression that the artsy/alternative types moved up into Dalston/Hackney when Hoxditch wankified. I think there's a by-law that says you have to be from Dalston if you play in a band and want to be considered cool. And isn't Hackney scheduled to undergo a pre-Olympics transformation (?)

It sounds to me like like Clapton is the really sketchy bit. I *think* the area immediately around Sutton House should be just fine, although I have a reasonably high tolerance when it comes to scummy neighborhoods.
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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 08:55 AM
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And isn't Hackney scheduled to undergo a pre-Olympics transformation (?)>>>

Why would it? It's a long way from Stratford.
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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 09:19 AM
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>>>Why would it? It's a long way from Stratford<<<

But it is! I knew I read something about it before, so I just googled and found the Hackney council website:

http://tinyurl.com/3nuhjt

(granted that's the borough and not Clapton in particular, and "pre-olympic transformation" means building some new affordable housing)
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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 09:41 AM
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Well it turns out lower clapton road is being ripped up for gas line repairs until the end of October, which messes up the bus routes (it shouldn't affect you yk because you're going in November)

That leaves me with a couple of transporation options, and now I'm wondering which is better (i.e. on which route am I least likely to die?):

Take the bus from Archway to Holloway/Nag's Head, then transfer and take the bus to Lea Bridge Roundabout (north of Sutton House) Then walk down Clapton road for about 15 minutes to Sutton House.

or

Take the tube from Archway to Angel, then take the bus towards Lea Bridge Roundabout but get off at the Mare Street/Graham Road stop (south of Sutton House) Then walk for about 10 minutes on Graham Road, Bohemia Place, then up to Isabella Road and Sutton House.

Is the walk from Mare Street/Graham Road better than walking down Clapton Road?
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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 10:53 AM
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where do you girls get your vietnamese food if you are afraid to go to hackney?
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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 12:47 PM
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I should say that I can't weigh in specifically on the Clapton station question, but was just giving my daughter's Hackney experiences generally (and she cannot pinpoint the exact locations she visited).
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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 08:28 PM
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>>>where do you girls get your vietnamese food if you are afraid to go to hackney?<<<

If you've got any recommendations, I'm all ears. Or eyes as the case nay be.

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Old Oct 5th, 2008, 10:14 PM
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<<costumes for Aida>>

Zandra Rhodes.
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Old Oct 6th, 2008, 12:13 AM
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There are times policemen are the worst people to ask about safety.

Sutton House is a standard excursion for Islingtonians after ideas for their houses. In thirty-odd years of Canonbury garden parties, Barnsbury suppers, aqnd Sutton House fundraisers I've never heard of so much as a cross look from a hoodie when people have spent their Sunday afternoons at Sutton House. Whatever route they take. And which route just isn't a subject of debate.

Now maybe any teenage son of their disadvantaged neighbours on the Islington housing estates foolish enough to go onto the Hackney Crew's territory along Clapton Road would live to regret it were he lucky enough to live. But, as far as I can tell from my Friends of the National Trust in the area, personal safety just isn't something anyone outside the estates - even the teenage children of the Islington gentry - ever even thinks about.

Maybe I'm out of date and maybe my chums are overdoing our general tendency to regard incontinent twittering about safety as another silly North American fad. But before letting CW's doom-mongering influence your plans or routing, I'd ask him to show one single example of a Sutton House visitor suffering anything worse than a scratch on an exceptionally flash and badly parked Merc or beemer.
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Besides, no-one messes with the National Trust.
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Old Oct 6th, 2008, 02:24 AM
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To correct:

CW's not doom-mongering. He did specify that "However you are not in the demographic to get shot."

In a city as cheek by jowl as London, it's essential to understand subtleties. Lots of Hackney's a really rotten place to be in if you're local, or male, 15-25, threatening-looking and NOT local. Or a policeman. But the bad guys have got more interesting things to do than terrorise - or even try to rob - tourists.

What do you think they are? Romanian pickpockets? Show some respect.
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Old Oct 6th, 2008, 04:00 AM
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That's the point I was trying to make. If you stick to the main streets you'll be fine unless you're spectacularly daft.

However it is easy to wander down a side street and find yourself not in Kansas anymore.

But Flanneur is right - plods do tend to see the woerst in humanity, and don't see the upsides too often. My mental map of london is plotted by dodgy boozers, speilers, knocking shops, crack houses, doss houses, prisons and nut houses. I do realise this is not normal.
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Old Oct 6th, 2008, 06:52 AM
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As someone who has worked in West Philly for years, I assume Clapton Rd can't be much worse.

And yes, the costumes for Aida were designed by Zandra Rhodes. I saw the Magic Flute production designed by her a couple of years ago. "Over the top" is a bit of an understatement. Perhaps I should bring along my sunglasses.
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I've just googled it and the muder rate for Philedelphia is the same pretty much as for ALL of the UK.

(It's the guns people - it's the guns)
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